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Old 08-03-2013, 07:56 PM   #151
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thank you. i was just about to post that i would find it hard to believe that the 40 didn't have a bit more potential stopping power than the 9 based on the size/weight of the bullet.

this seems to verify that a bit imo.


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So basically what we have here are two rounds with a similar velocity. The difference is 40 S&W has a larger/heavier bullet, and more energy.
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honestly, i dunno....i'm just telling you what i heard at ranges and what all my friends said that their CHL instructors said....they all bad mouthed the 9 for awhile about it being weaker than the 40....
Ok so its just misinformed opinions. I prefer to look at the performance and history of a round. People also say that a .45 will knock people of their feet but I ignore that type of rubbish. PS Just like if people bad mouth the 9mm all that tells me is they haven't a clue what they are talking about and I ignore their opinion.
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Ok so its just misinformed opinions. I prefer to look at the performance and history of a round. People also say that a .45 will knock people of their feet but I ignore that type of rubbish.
i would say more GENERAL opinions at the time. pretty much everyone i encountered would say the same thing. did you look at the post before?

mt point was that this general opinion on this seems to have changed dramatically in the last year. the rounds haven't changed much so...
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thank you. i was just about to post that i would find it hard to believe that the 40 didn't have a bit more potential stopping power than the 9 based on the size/weight of the bullet.

this seems to verify that a bit imo.
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Ok so its just misinformed opinions. I prefer to look at the performance and history of a round. People also say that a .45 will knock people of their feet but I ignore that type of rubbish.
and when compared to the 9mm and the 40, the 45 acp is slow but a heavy bullet. usually with a 230 gr bullet about 850 FPS or a little slower. with 200 gr. bullets, it moves up to a little over 900 FPS.

it still comes down to persoanl choice. some like smaller and faster and higher magazine capacity. some like slower and heavier, with lower magazine capacity. for some the 40 fills the need for compromise with higher mag capacity than the 45, but heavier bullet weights than the 9mm.

but, what is more important, ballistics or accurate shooting?

my point is this as well. there is nothing wrong with the 40, or the 9mm, or the 45, or the 380, or the 38, or the 357, or the 32, or any other if you practice regularly and become a proficient shooter with it.
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i would say more GENERAL opinions at the time. pretty much everyone i encountered would say the same thing. did you look at the post before?

mt point was that this general opinion on this seems to have changed dramatically in the last year. the rounds haven't changed much so...
I forgot to add, the energy of a round is not the only thing you need to look at. The size of the round, it's expansion, and whether it will pass through the body are other factors that could determine takedown power.
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and when compared to the 9mm and the 40, the 45 acp is slow but a heavy bullet. usually with a 230 gr bullet about 850 FPS or a little slower. with 200 gr. bullets, it moves up to a little over 900 FPS.

it still comes down to persoanl choice. some like smaller and faster and higher magazine capacity. some like slower and heavier, with lower magazine capacity. for some the 40 fills the need for compromise with higher mag capacity than the 45, but heavier bullet weights than the 9mm.

but, what is more important, ballistics or accurate shooting?
i agree with axxe...and really with most of you....they all get the job done if the shooter does their job......

i think the 40 has just lost its huge surge in popularity...i still think its a great round myself. popularity hasn't mattered much to me since my HS days!
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and when compared to the 9mm and the 40, the 45 acp is slow but a heavy bullet. usually with a 230 gr bullet about 850 FPS or a little slower. with 200 gr. bullets, it moves up to a little over 900 FPS.

it still comes down to persoanl choice. some like smaller and faster and higher magazine capacity. some like slower and heavier, with lower magazine capacity. for some the 40 fills the need for compromise with higher mag capacity than the 45, but heavier bullet weights than the 9mm.

but, what is more important, ballistics or accurate shooting?
Shot placement is everything. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a 44.
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i agree with axxe...and really with most of you....they all get the job done if the shooter does their job......

i think the 40 has just lost its huge surge in popularity...i still think its a great round myself.
Not sure why it would be loosing popularity. It's a pretty good round. I'd like to get one.
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mt point was that this general opinion on this seems to have changed dramatically in the last year. the rounds haven't changed much so...
Maybe its an American thing there was never any doubt of the effectiveness of the 9mm among most European countries. Very few that were on the receiving end of a 9mm round bad mouthed it. As for the .40 its not popular here if I wasn't happy with my 9mm then I would just use my .45.
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