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Old 08-02-2013, 02:54 PM   #141
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Seems this round is getting bashed a lot. First off I'm still pretty new to firearms, but I feel the .40 is very comfortable to shoot. I did buy a Sig P226 in .40 and hated it so I traded for a Glock 23 and it's awesome. Maybe I'm doing something wrong or just don't have enough experience, but when I'm practicing I'm so focused on my front sight and sight picture I don't even notice the slide lock back sometimes. My thoughts are if it has too much recoil I would have to take a second and find my sight picture again, which I don't.
From a recoil perspective it is different than 9mm or .45. If it works for you, use it. As a retired competitive shooter and current instructor it provides no benefit over 9 and takes more time to get follow up shot perfection so there's no point to it. Nine mil. has (from extensive testing and evaluation with quality ammunition) better penetration and that's what you want.
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From a recoil perspective it is different than 9mm or .45. If it works for you, use it. As a retired competitive shooter and current instructor it provides no benefit over 9 and takes more time to get follow up shot perfection so there's no point to it. Nine mil. has (from extensive testing and evaluation with quality ammunition) better penetration and that's what you want.
I have both a .40 s&w sig p229 and a gen 4 glock 19 and both shoot great at the range.. I'm no professional though..but the Sig makes a great home defense pistol and is the reason I bought it..love that gun,the glock I bought just to have a 9mm and I didnt expect to like it as much as I do..I guess my point is there's nothing wrong with a .40 especially for a home defense pistol ..shooting competitions? I'm not sure because I'm not highly experienced
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i find it so interesting that now every seems to think the 40 has no power advantage over the 9....when a few years back, it was generally accepted that the 40 had better stopping power and many thought the 9 on the verge of being wimpy....

when did this occur...what evidence made so many change their minds about the 40?

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When california and north eastern seaboard boys grew up to be 'men' and couldn't handle the 40!

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i find it so interesting that now every seems to think the 40 has no power advantage over the 9....when a few years back, it was generally accepted that the 40 had better stopping power and many thought the 9 on the verge of being wimpy
What evidence is there that the .40 is and has being more effective than the 9mm.
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i like the 40 cal. i think its plenty powerful in my opinion.
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it boils down to this, that caliber debates are going to exist. big vs. small, (9mm vs. 45acp) and medium, (40s&w) are a good compromise. we can debate these calibers and others till hell freezes over. many people are pretty much going to make a choice and justify it because that's the choice they made.

here's my take and advice. want to carry a 45acp? then learn to shoot it well and accurately and practice often. want the 9mm? then also do the same. want the 40 s&w? again do the same. because whether a person carries a 9mm because they want the extra capacity, or they want the 45 because of size, or the 40 because of compromise, it is really irrelevent if you can't hit what you aim at. 9mm? well you get more chances to miss! 45? well, you got bigger bullets that are missing!

simply put, pick the one that appeals to your idea of needs in a caliber and become a proficient shooter with it and practice often.

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i like the 40 cal. i think its plenty powerful in my opinion
What do you mean by powerful, In the real world what does it do better than 9mm. ?
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What evidence is there that the .40 is and has being more effective than the 9mm.
honestly, i dunno....i'm just telling you what i heard at ranges and what all my friends said that their CHL instructors said....they all bad mouthed the 9 for awhile about it being weaker than the 40....

i'm not saying its right, i'm saying it was the "buzz" i heard for many years in support of the 40 as a caliber.

now...the trend seems to have reversed.....
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What evidence is there that the .40 is and has being more effective than the 9mm.
Time for some ballistics!!!!

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9mm Federal Hydra Shok 124 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 345 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1120 FPS
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9mm Hornady XTP 124 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 339 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1110 FPS
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9mm +P Remington Golden Sabre 124 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 384 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1180 FPS
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40 S&W Federal HST 165 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 468 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1130 FPS
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40 S&W Hornady Critical Defense FTX 165 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 506 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1175 FPS
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40 S&W Remington Golden Sabre 165 gr.

Muzzle energy --- 485 FT/LBS

Muzzle velocity --- 1150 FPS
So basically what we have here are two rounds with a similar velocity. The difference is 40 S&W has a larger/heavier bullet, and more energy. THAT is the advantage it has have the 9mm. It has more takedown power. That's not to say 9mm doesn't have takedown power, it's just that the 40 S&W has more.

The advantage 9mm has over the 40 S&W is usually capacity, though that's not really an issue with the 40 S&W either.

BOTH will kill a man and BOTH are good self defense rounds.

As said earlier in this thread, 40 S&W is a great compromise between the 9mm's capacity, and the 45 ACP's size.
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