Originally Posted by DrumJunkie
25 yards they need to be within 2" no matter the pistol or I"ll look at what I'm, doing wrong or getting rid of the gun. I shoot some pistols out to 50 yards and I want to be able to hit a 50 round ammo box pretty consistently. more than 2-3 fliers and I'm pretty upset.
Oh..Rifles I don't shoot much over 100 yards as I don't have a whole lot of room to get much more safely. Depending on the rifle I will want to have no trouble placing on a 4"x4" square where I want it to be. Except with 22's, I give myself a little more room with most of them.
Pretty much the same for me. Aimed pistol groups (3 shots) at 50 feet or less go into an area the size of a silver dollar and rifle groups at 50 yds w/o optics the same. Rifles with optics at 100 yds should be inside the diameter of a half dollar. FWIW, I don't normally shoot much past 100 yds either so I don't usually concern myself with "long range" accuracy. I rarely shoot a .22 beyond 50 yds. Other than cutting the distances in half, however, they should be the same as my other rifles (half dollar or less at 50 yards with optics). FWIW, I can easily hit soda cans with my Henry Golden Boy .22lr at 100 yds using the factory sights... SWEET gun!
OTOH, I also use "combat" accuracy, especially with my handguns, as a guideline. That means placing two shots into a 6" area at 25 feet in one second or less with a pistol. Same applies to my personal defense rifles, only at 50 yards or less.