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Old 12-27-2013, 05:36 AM   #11
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Mexico doesn't allow anything larger than .380
But they have more .38 Supers in the civilian world than we do.

The .40S&W was developed after the Miami shootout and FBI guns tests. The 10mm was destined to become THE LEO round, but was too much to handle, so a downloaded version was offered. S&W had a good standing in the 9mm market, but the 10mm was too long for most of their firearms already in stock.

So they developed the shorter round so they could take advantage of their stock piles without major retooling.
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Ok,I got this from Wikipedia.If it needs correction,don't shoot the messenger (pun intended )
It is a bit confusing.
In regards to what type of firearms are permitted, Title II, Chapter I, Article 9 of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives states:

(translated) It may be kept or carried, under the terms and limitations established by this law, weapons of the following characteristics:[26]

Semi-automatic handguns of caliber no greater than .380 (9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, and 9×17mm). Left excepted are calibers .38 Super and .38 commander, and also calibers 9mm. [Such as] Mauser, Luger, etc., as well as similar models of the same caliber of the excepted, from other brands.
Revolvers of calibers no greater than .38 Special, left excepted is caliber .357 magnum.
Land tenure owners, common land owners and farmworkers outside urban zones, may keep and carry, upon registration, one weapon of those already mentioned, or a .22 caliber rifle, or a shotgun of any caliber, except those of a barrel length shorter than 25 inches (635mm) and of caliber greater than 12-gauge (.729" or 18.5 MM).

Additionally, Article 10 of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives states:

(translated) The firearms that can be authorized to participants of shooting or hunting, to keep in their home or to carry with a license, are the following:[27]

Semi-automatic handguns, revolvers and rifles of caliber .22, rimfire ammo
Handguns of .38 caliber for Olympic shooting or other competition
Shotguns in all their calibers and models, except those with a barrel length shorter than 25 inches, and calibers greater than 12-gauge.
Triple-barrel shotguns in the calibers authorized in the preceding section, with a barrel for metallic cartridges of different caliber.
High-powered rifles, of repeating or semi-automatic function, non-convertible to full-auto, with the exception of .30 caliber carbines, rifles, muskets and carbines caliber .223, 7 and 7.62mm, and Garand rifles caliber .30.
High-powered rifles of greater caliber than those mentioned in the previous section, with special permission for their use abroad, for hunting of game bigger than those present in national wildlife.

Under these two articles, private citizens are generally restricted to semi-automatic handguns or revolvers of a caliber no greater than .380 (for home defense),[28] rifles no greater than .22, and shotguns no greater than a 12-gauge (hunting and shooting when a member of a club). Anything bigger than those calibers is considered for exclusive use of the military and strictly forbidden for civilian possession, as defined by Article 11 of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives.[29] Only citizens with collector permits may be authorized to possess firearms outside those permitted for civilian ownership.[30]

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I would add that the U.S. Coast Guard is the first Uniformed Service to adopt the .40 S&W service wide. Hollow points for L.E. duty and Ball for military. They carry Sigs.

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Seriously, most of the world's LEO's live in strict gun control countries. They are not faced with armed goblins nearly as often. To the Europeans and Asians, a handgun on the hip is more of s symbol of authority than an actual tool
That sounds like an good argument for gun control. the reason that they use 9mm is because it has being seen to be effective for over 100 years so why change it. As for coming up against Goblins the police here were up against a well armed terrorist organisation for 30 years, and weapons that American police don't have to deal with, and still are still using 9mm. They do also have rifles etc if needed.

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Their lack of gun ownership is also why the rest of the world enjoys extremely high murder rape and robbery rates...
The murder rate in America is conciderbily higher than the UK.
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The murder rate in America is conciderbily higher than the UK.
Murder by firearms is higher in the US is considerably. higher than in the UK. Violent crime overall is higher in the UK than in the US. No one can shoot back when only criminals have guns. So, no their is less murder by gun. That doesn't mean that the citizens on the UK are killing each other any slower. They just don't use firearms.
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I believe you will always hear about the exceptions thanks to our infamous media...the guy who takes 27 rounds and keeps coming, etc. But in reality I feel anyone who carries should focus on what they feel comfortable with as far as a weapon and a caliber that they can accurately handle. It wouldn't due much good to have a bazooka if you can't hit a barn with it.

I also suspect that the military and LE are influenced by who offers the best deal on weapons and ammunition. Money talks.

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what is the population level of the UK vs. the United States?

i think if you have higher population numbers, there is the chance that violent crime numbers are going to be higher. i think the true numbers are the violent criminal acts to population ratio that IMO is a more accurate indicator of the actual idea of who has the higher crime rate.

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I have a handgun chambered in 40 S&W, I think it is a great gun and a very fast shooting, accurate round. Don't own a 9mm and can't see a reason why I would.

As far as what the 'rest of the world' does....isn't that the standard our current President is trying to drag us DOWN to? (If you want to judge America by the rest of the world, go j*rk off in front of the UN on your way to signing up for the Peace Corps. I double-dog dare ya!)

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what is the population level of the UK vs. the United States?
Per 100.000 of the UK and America.


( United States 4.7 14,612 )

( United Kingdom 1.2 722 )


That's murders not just murders by firearms. Back on subject the 9mm is seen as adequate for self defence, if the police think they likely to run into armed criminals then they take rifles or sub-machine guns. If the FBI did the same we might not be having this discussion. Lets remember we are talking about handguns there are plenty of examples of people taking multiple hits from most handgun calibers and not going down. If you want to stop someone take a rifle.
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Bean counters rationalize that if the .40S&W is good enough for the FBI, then it should be good enough for the local LEO community.

With enough departments on the same wagon, ammo became cheaper.

But the current regime of some LEOs are looking back to the .45ACP with the larger diameter bullet.
IIRC, Indiana State Police for one example.

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