Originally Posted by bigbomar4
Ok so how is it that this ammo works just fine in my guns as well as so many others but it is still the ammo's fault? Yes I admit it is dirty nasty ammo but it works. Why dont you do a search HI-point torture test. They are cheep guns but guess what they still work
I'm simply flabbergasted you can't grasp the concept of something working 100% using anything but product X and you thinking the cause isn't product X. If you go to a gas station, and you get gas, and your car stalls out and fails to run and the cause was subpar quality gas, yet you can get gas at any other station and the car runs fine, you're reasoning would be the car is at fault because you put bad product into it. That's just not how it works.
Originally Posted by lbwar15
So are you saying that there is no way the guns that had issues are not defective?
Yes, I am saying there is no way it was the guns. See example above related to fuel.
Originally Posted by lbwar15
Just read the glock owners manual. It dose not say anything about it not being ok to use steel ammo. More dose it in my XD or M&P 15 manual.
I never said that Glock had that written in the manual. But if you wish for me to enlighten you with those that do, I'll be happy to do such.
First, CMMG voids your lifetime warranty for any Steel or Reloadshttp://www.cmmginc.com/Articles.asp?ID=258
Olympic Armshttp://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=20&view=fin ish&cid=44&catid=5
Delton also prohibits any steel or reloads
H&K strictly prohibits steel and aluminum cases. A fine example at this link shows an H&K that went boom and would not be warrantied because the shooter was using steel case. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/120014-hk45-steel-cased-russian-ammo-expensive-paper-weight.html
Sig Sauer lists reloads and any non-brass cased ammo as a loss of warranty
DPMS has a list of non-approved ammohttp://www.dpmsinc.com/Ammunitions-Warning_ep_59-1.html
Is that enough, or should I continue to post nearly every single major manufacturer of firearms and their warranty pages here?
I'd be willing to bet that most, if not all of you, don't know why Tula and Wolf run "dirty" when used. It doesn't run any different than any other ammo, except the Steel does not expand as well as brass, and doesn't seal the chamber as well. Therefore, some carbon/powder blowback goes around the case and makes it a leave more residue that requires more frequent cleaning. This is likely why in that ammo torture test on lucky gunner the rifle using Tulammo failed to complete the test.
The reason why most of these companies will not honor warranties knowing steel cased ammo was used is because there are simply not the controls and regulations enforced in Russia, or elsewhere outside of the US for that matter, that our stateside manufacturers have to follow. Some companies do it correct, like Privi and other quality makers from out of country. Now, you can argue that info any which way you like, it's simple fact. I pulled the info off their websites, or provided the pictures of the information that accompanies their products in packaging.