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Old 10-28-2012, 08:18 PM   #11
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I really hope HockaLouis was just trying to be thought provoking... Even in the Great Socialist State of NY an intruder is likely to be dispatched to the degree and point to which the threat is removed. Even though there will be in all likelyhood an investigation with a Grand Jury. If things were as described in the original story the young woman would be exonnerated. Example: In one of our more upscale communities in the Buffalo area (Williamsville) a very inebriated school teacher visiting friends stumbled into one of the neighbors house about midnight which of course startled the homeowner who was in bed. The homeowner had the 911 operator on the phone while telling the intruder to back off get out and that he was armed. For some reason the teacher started coming up the homeowners stairs yelling incoherantly and when he reached the top of the stairs the homeowner fired his 12ga. killing the intruder. The homeowner was exonerated after a Grand Jury hearing even though the family tried to sue and there was the typical outrage that he was just a visiting teacher and all the usual tripe about what a wonderful person he was a teacher etc. etc... Moral of the story, persons need to be responsible for themselves. It was of course an unimaginable tragedy and the homeowner reportedly was devastated as you could only imagine... As any sentient being would be after killing another person. I cannot see a prosecuter trying to persecute a young woman for defending herself in her own home either. IMOHO...

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I really hope HockaLouis was just trying to be thought provoking... Even in the Great Socialist State of NY an intruder is likely to be dispatched to the degree and point to which the threat is removed. Even though there will be in all likelyhood an investigation with a Grand Jury. If things were as described in the original story the young woman would be exonnerated. Example: In one of our more upscale communities in the Buffalo area (Williamsville) a very inebriated school teacher visiting friends stumbled into one of the neighbors house about midnight which of course startled the homeowner who was in bed. The homeowner had the 911 operator on the phone while telling the intruder to back off get out and that he was armed. For some reason the teacher started coming up the homeowners stairs yelling incoherantly and when he reached the top of the stairs the homeowner fired his 12ga. killing the intruder. The homeowner was exonerated after a Grand Jury hearing even though the family tried to sue and there was the typical outrage that he was just a visiting teacher and all the usual tripe about what a wonderful person he was a teacher etc. etc... Moral of the story, persons need to be responsible for themselves. It was of course an unimaginable tragedy and the homeowner reportedly was devastated as you could only imagine... As any sentient being would be after killing another person. I cannot see a prosecuter trying to persecute a young woman for defending herself in her own home either. IMOHO...

Where your thought train is breaking down is you assuming there is thought put into these prosecutions. Many areas of law enforcement no thought is put into the matter. Someone cooks up a policy and this policy is followed through without any thought. Sadly, the three shot rule is one of these areas were no thought is put into the situation.

No thought is put into the caliber of weapon the victim was using or the size of the attacker. I have several friends that six shots to the chest with a 22LR would be fatal but I doubt it would draw blood. These guys are just that big. Add drugs or alcohol to the mix, if you tangle with one of these guys you will be before a grand jury.
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HokaLouis, I don't know if you were being sarcastic...
I did inject a touch of sarcasm in there, yes.

By the way, isn't a .44 twice as powerful as a .22? Seems to have been alot more effective here comparing the two situations...
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I am just glad both of these "problems" were solved with the good guys OK and the bad guys removed from the gene-pool!

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After 9 rounds he was able to run a few houses down and was spouting insults about the woman...and you think she went overboard?? Seriously, I would like to send her a speed loader as a thank you gift for taking care of the p.o.s. and saving tax payers thousands.

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Any instructor worth the name will teach you to continue firing until the threat is neutralized. Whether that is one shot, or 15.

And BTW, there is no handgun that will reliabily stop a human with one shot, unless it is CNS hit, regardless of what Hollyweird portrays.

As for charges being filed, I always taught my officers that if you end up in a courtroom as the result of a gunfight, it means you WON the gunfight.

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To all of those who argue against double taps, or firing more than three rounds. That sounds insane, and while I can not say how things are where you live, I can say that I have never, in all my searching, find someone who was convicted because of how many rounds they fired.

Just like LEOs and military, you train yourself to fire until the threat ends. To quote a LEO friend of mine in San Fran. "If you are justified in shooting him with a .22 you are justified in shooting him with a .50. If you are justified in shooting him once, you are justified in shooting him until he ceases his attack. And thinking otherwise may get you killed."

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