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Old 06-21-2009, 02:02 PM   #11
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You'll pay a premium simply to have "1911" stamped on whatever dream firearm you choose. Yes, it's a great platform, but then again, Ford owned Volvo until a few months ago. Big guns make big holes, but you don't hear many .45 fans cheering for .50 concealed carry weapons. Any 1911 is going to be a large-framed piece, and despite what you're told, they don't hide very well. Great weapon as a back-up in combat, but unwieldy and cumbersome under a shirt.
Look for the attributes which suit you and your situation, and then shop for a weapon. Trying to get comfortable with a firearm by shooting .22 out of it and then expecting it to shoot the same way with .45 is not logical. You have sneezed harder than a .22 discharge. .45 is a whole different thing.
If you're worried about lethality, the Nazi child-porn freak who murdered the security guard at the Holocaust Museum used a .22. One shot.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to fit the tool to the entire job. Don't buy a primary weapon just because it has a legend. Buy what you need.
+ 1 gorknoids!

You need to ask, but you need to buy the one that fits you, both literally and physically!

If you buy on my recommendation you will wear my gun on your hip! You need to wear YOUR gun on your hip.
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Are a Colt Defender or Kimber Ultra Carry considered large-framed guns??
No, but along with small(er) framed 1911's comes a diminished grip. This is only a problem if you have large hands.

As you can see I needed to add a mag-well and an 8 rd mag to provide length to improve my purchase on the stocks!

For me I should have got the Commander model but......I love this Defender and have little trouble concealing the gun.

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Thanks Cane.

I really was taking this statement to task, but didn't do it very welli was trying to be nice :-) )

"Any 1911 is going to be a large-framed piece, and despite what you're told, they don't hide very well. Great weapon as a back-up in combat, but unwieldy and cumbersome under a shirt"

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With your mention of big bore-ever think of a Charter Arms BullDog. .44Spl. 5 shots, big slow slug-can be bought fairly cheap. Wife should have easy time shooting. I think reasonable priced loads, for the CowBoy Action circuit.--Just another thought????????? PS-Welcome to the forum-Have fun+speak up!!
Thanks for the welcoming and thanks to everybody for the feedback. The Bulldog is on my list, for sure. I'm glad you mentioned it. I wasn't sure about the price on .44 spl, but it's good to know that there are reasonable load out there for for it. I've never shot a revolver...I'm a little wary of a .44 cal revolver, but I'm open minded to it...I know, I'm a newb.

I'm also going to look at a few Rugers in 9mm, .40, and maybe even 45. I have time before I'll even be able to make the purchase.
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If you're new to shooting, I'd personally recommend a 9mm or 357/38. Yes, a .45 in a 1911 platform would be the best in general, imo. But this can be more expensive, and I've found the .45 to be a hard thing to practice and get good with it when you're a beginning handgunner.

Two guns I'd recommend. Keep in mind this is personal preference. In 9mm (also comes in 40 S&W) would be any CZ. If concealment is your thing, look at the 75 compact and the 75 compact P-01. Both great guns. Reliable, very accurate, and fun to shoot. My other thought would be a Ruger SP101. You can practice with cheap, low recoiling, 38s, or upload to 38+p or even 357. (though don't go to 357 until you have some experience.) While 38s and 9mm don't quite have the stopping power of a 45, these guns I mentioned are easy to conceal and pack enough punch for defense. Not to mention they are relatively easy on the wallet. In my area, the SP101 can be had for $459, the cz compact for ~$500, and the compact P-01 for $575-625.

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If you're new to shooting, I'd personally recommend a 9mm or 357/38. Yes, a .45 in a 1911 platform would be the best in general, imo. But this can be more expensive, and I've found the .45 to be a hard thing to practice and get good with it when you're a beginning handgunner.

Two guns I'd recommend. Keep in mind this is personal preference. In 9mm (also comes in 40 S&W) would be any CZ. If concealment is your thing, look at the 75 compact and the 75 compact P-01. Both great guns. Reliable, very accurate, and fun to shoot. My other thought would be a Ruger SP101. You can practice with cheap, low recoiling, 38s, or upload to 38+p or even 357. (though don't go to 357 until you have some experience.) While 38s and 9mm don't quite have the stopping power of a 45, these guns I mentioned are easy to conceal and pack enough punch for defense. Not to mention they are relatively easy on the wallet. In my area, the SP101 can be had for $459, the cz compact for ~$500, and the compact P-01 for $575 -625.

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That is pretty much what I was thinking originally. If I get a 9mm, it will end up being my wife's gun a some point. I don't know too many people who have only one pistol. I'm sure at some point I'll get a 1911, but it doesn't seem like the sensible and economical first centerfire. I'll be taking a class in a few weeks where I'll be firing a bunch of rounds with a Glock 19 and a Glock 22. I'll have a much better idea then. I'm curious to feel the differences between those two.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Oh, and if conceal and carry is not what you're going for, I'd highly recommend a Ruger GP 100. My personal preference is one with a 4" barrel. I guess you can see that I really like ruger revolvers. As a matter of fact, for a first handgun, I really think that a revolver is the best choice in general. They are easy to use, and a 357 can shoot a huge variety of ammo. From light load 38's up to heavy loaded 357's. But ultimately, you have to buy the gun that you like and is comfortable for you. If you don't like it, you won't shoot it much. And if you don't shoot it much, it's not of much use.

But these are all just my opinions.

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That is pretty much what I was thinking originally. If I get a 9mm, it will end up being my wife's gun a some point. I don't know too many people who have only one pistol. I'm sure at some point I'll get a 1911, but it doesn't seem like the sensible and economical first centerfire. I'll be taking a class in a few weeks where I'll be firing a bunch of rounds with a Glock 19 and a Glock 22. I'll have a much better idea then. I'm curious to feel the differences between those two.
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Well I might as well really confuse you.

Ask anyone here and they will tell you I'm a 1911 died-in-the-wool shooter/CCW, better yet a Colt 1911! (Real men shower with a 1911!) Problem is that 90%+ of my life was spent in the rust belt. Now that I'm in South Florida and gettin' on, a steel Government 1911 is next to impossible to carry here in Ft. Lauderdale damn near all year round.

Oh yea the second thing they will tell you is, cane hates tupperware! Well here's my mea coupa; I took a look at the new Ruger LCR and fell in lust! 38 spl +p with a loaded weight of <16 ozs!

Give it a look; I think you may find it as handsome as did I.


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If I were going to get a revolver, the LCR would be it period Friday is my payday and I think I have decided on a Kahr CW9. The store down the street has it for $420. It's smaller than the LCR and stainless. Does the LCR come in stainless? That would be very tempting. A 9mm doesn't quite have the stopping power of a .38+p, but should be more than adequate with the right round.

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Well I might as well really confuse you.

Ask anyone here and they will tell you I'm a 1911 died-in-the-wool shooter/CCW, better yet a Colt 1911! (Real men shower with a 1911!) Problem is that 90%+ of my life was spent in the rust belt. Now that I'm in South Florida and gettin' on, a steel Government 1911 is next to impossible to carry here in Ft. Lauderdale damn near all year round.

Oh yea the second thing they will tell you is, cane hates tupperware! Well here's my mea coupa; I took a look at the new Ruger LCR and fell in lust! 38 spl +p with a loaded weight of <16 ozs!

Give it a look; I think you may find it as handsome as did I.


That's a pretty damn sexy piece! If I was looking to carry, I would seriously look into that. Maybe I will anyway. That looks like something that could be great for occasional times I would want to carry and a second gun in the house that my wife can use.

Don't worry, Cane, at some point I'll have that 1911 and not some half assed knock off. It will be a good one. When I go there, I won't go half way. I'm willing to wait. I won't carry it, though. I live in Massachusetts. I will need to be extra discreet. What I need is a something to protect my home, not kill the neighbors, and be a pleasure at the range. That's why once I know what I'm doing and can afford a good one, I get a 1911.

So many choices out there. I had no idea.
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