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Old 10-29-2012, 12:49 PM   #81
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Here's a link to some ballistics info. Some may find it helpful. Based on muzzle energy alone, one would opt for 10mm first, then as a major compromise, .357Sig.
http://www.mouseguns.com/PopularHandgunAmmoComparison.pdf

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I just love hearing statements like that
I've carried a 25 in my pocket more than once & know a couple others that do often- Know a couple others that carry those little bitty 22's (American Arms?)
As to the OP's question I'd trust a 22 short before i'd throw a 44mag at someone wanting to do me harm
It is certainly your right to carry whatever size gun you wish, I choose to carry a weapon that will do some damage, ........did you know that at anything more than about 30-35 ft a heavy leather jacket will stop the average 25 rd, and even if it did not by the time it got though, it would have no energy left, this is a quote, as i'm not going to shoot my jacket just to test them, I was shootting at some mason jars at about 20 ft, and you had to have a real direct hit to break them, a glancing hit just knocked them over
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It is certainly your right to carry whatever size gun you wish, I choose to carry a weapon that will do some damage, ........did you know that at anything more than about 30-35 ft a heavy leather jacket will stop the average 25 rd, and even if it did not by the time it got though, it would have no energy left, this is a quote, as i'm not going to shoot my jacket just to test them, I was shootting at some mason jars at about 20 ft, and you had to have a real direct hit to break them, a glancing hit just knocked them over
You totally missed my point
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It is certainly your right to carry whatever size gun you wish, I choose to carry a weapon that will do some damage, ........did you know that at anything more than about 30-35 ft a heavy leather jacket will stop the average 25 rd, and even if it did not by the time it got though, it would have no energy left, this is a quote, as i'm not going to shoot my jacket just to test them, I was shootting at some mason jars at about 20 ft, and you had to have a real direct hit to break them, a glancing hit just knocked them over

Why would you be shooting 35 feet in a defensive situation???
About 98 percent of defensive shootings take place at less than 3 yards. And no, a .25 is not ideal for getting into a gunfight.

OTOH, neither is any other handgun. If you think you're going to get into a gunfight, take a rifle.

And a .25 in your pocket will protect you better than a .45 in your safe.
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OTOH, neither is any other handgun. If you think you're going to get into a gunfight, take a rifle.
In addition, subguns have been popular military weapons for over 70 years, and most of them use 9x19mm pistol cartridges.
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If I knew I was getting into a gunfight I would make sure the other guy would never know he was in a fight - - - he would be standing at the pearly gates wondering how he got there. Announce your presence and intentions in a loud clear voice and if the perp turns to see you they only see your barrel - - - make sure they make the decision to submit or die before they can pull the trigger.

But a personal defense weapon is for the surprises in your life. If someone was to get the drop on me I would try to be as non-threatening as possible until I get the opportunity to resolve the situation in my favor. In the right hands a 22 could save the day but I would like something better.

What is the biggest you can you carry comfortably day in and day out?

I have carried several over the decades - - - right now my favorite is a 6906 SS S&W 12+1 9MM 2 spare magazines can be ( not normally ) carried under my right arm relatively small and light and adequate for my purposes. I normally only carry spare mags when on duty and they are 15 round mags that will fit either my 5906 or my 6906. In over 40 years I have never needed more than 5 rounds to end the situation.

Now if I was going Lion hunting in Africa I would make changes.

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If I knew I was getting into a gunfight I would make sure the other guy would never know he was in a fight - - - he would be standing at the pearly gates wondering how he got there. Announce your presence and intentions in a loud clear voice and if the perp turns to see you they only see your barrel - - - make sure they make the decision to submit or die before they can pull the trigger.

But a personal defense weapon is for the surprises in your life. If someone was to get the drop on me I would try to be as non-threatening as possible until I get the opportunity to resolve the situation in my favor. In the right hands a 22 could save the day but I would like something better.

What is the biggest you can you carry comfortably day in and day out?

I have carried several over the decades - - - right now my favorite is a 6906 SS S&W 12+1 9MM 2 spare magazines can be ( not normally ) carried under my right arm relatively small and light and adequate for my purposes. I normally only carry spare mags when on duty and they are 15 round mags that will fit either my 5906 or my 6906. In over 40 years I have never needed more than 5 rounds to end the situation.

Now if I was going Lion hunting in Africa I would make changes.
My 6906 is still my 'go to' gun, for the reasons you stated, for most of my CC!
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It is the firearm that I trust. Shot placement and size of hole. So S&W 25-5 and Colt 1911. However, here in IL I carry a pocket knife.
Lots of practise, and carry the firearm you are most proficient and confident with.

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When my daughter and I took our 6906s out I fired a 12 round rapid fire string at 10 yards standing and 11 holes could be covered by a nickle, a quarter took in the 12th

Hard to impress a 23 year old Lance Corporal but she decided I could be her backup in close combat - - - I need a scope for anything over about 100 yards but still hunt squirels with a 22 and a 4 power scope.

I guess it is just the way they fit my hands but my 5906 and 6906 are probably my favorates.

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A .22 Raven is perfectly OK as a primary weapon as long as you carry a 4-inch Model 29 as backup.

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