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Old 11-02-2012, 01:53 PM   #131
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There is the saying "there is no replacement for displacement". Applies to motors as well as firearms, within reason...
Yeah, there's a lot of guys driving around in these huge diesels that never carry anything, and shine like they've never driven them farther than the corner store. Meanwhile you've got these 4cyl trucks that look like they rolled down the mountain a few times, beat up, you know they actually used them to do something worthwhile.
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I'd get a pocket .380, like a Ruger LCP or Taurus 738 TCP if my wife would let me have the money. Pretty good for a pocket cannon, easy to hide. Maybe I could shoot the BG's gun outta his hand like ol' Barnababy Jones (AKA Jed Clampitt) did in one of his shows - the guy was about 100 yds away shootin at Barnababy with a rifle, so Barnababy whipped his mini .32 out of his coat pocket, fired immediately one-handed from the hip, and knocked that AR right outta the perp's hands, after which the perp promptly surrendered.

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I'd get a pocket .380, like a Ruger LCP or Taurus 738 TCP if my wife would let me have the money. Pretty good for a pocket cannon, easy to hide. Maybe I could shoot the BG's gun outta his hand like ol' Barnababy Jones did in one of his shows - the guy was about 100 yds away shootin at Barnababy with a rifle, so Barnababy whipped his mini .32 out of his coat pocket, fired immediately one-handed from the hip, and knocked that AR right outta the perp's hands, after which the perp promptly surrendered.
Hell I wudda surrendered too
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I guess I just don't get all this talk about a 25 for self defense????
I think the best comparison would be to say you were going to dig a big basement where it would take several days with a big track hoe and several dump trucks and you show up with a shovel and wheel barrow!!!
What an odd and unfitting analogy.

Many people conceal carry every day of their lives when leaving their homes in preparation of the unknown circumstances that require self defense. Obviously, a perpretrator or BG is not going to let you know ahead of time that he intends to do harm to you.

I cannot think of a practical circumstance where you would be called upon randomly to dig a basement without prior notice, and be expected to have your tools immediately at hand. I'm pretty sure if you knew the scope of a construction project beforehand, you would already know what is needed to get the job done.

Unless you were a contractor or construction worker....at that point you would already have the proper and necesary tools like dump trucks because your occupation entails such equipment. Otherwise no one would hire you, and you have no business digging up basements :rollseyes:
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:04 AM   #135
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I was thinking (and yes it hurt) and if you take the average of the 25 and the 45 it is a 35!!! The 9 mm is .355!! I guess when the dust settles it all makes sense!

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The diameters are about a ratio of 5:7:9
But the cross-sectional area pi x r x r, is .049:.095:.159 square inches,
or about 5:10:16 so the cross-sectional area of the .45 is more than 3 x that of the .25, and 60% more than the 9mm

So the amount of flab damaged by the .45 is triple that damaged by the .25
But in all cases it is a tiny fraction of a square inch, so shot placement would seem to be more important than the size of the hole.

Funny that pi r square. I always have believed that pi r round.

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IMO, shot placement trumps caliber. and how does a person make accurate shots? practice, practice and more practice on a regular basis. also practicing with a caliber they can control and shoot accurately. caliber size and ammo selection are not going to compensate for lack of proper practice. if you can't hit your target, then it's pretty much a sure bet, that it really doesn't matter what pistol or caliber you have.

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IMO, shot placement trumps caliber. and how does a person make accurate shots? practice, practice and more practice on a regular basis. also practicing with a caliber they can control and shoot accurately. caliber size and ammo selection are not going to compensate for lack of proper practice. if you can't hit your target, then it's pretty much a sure bet, that it really doesn't matter what pistol or caliber you have.
I agree shot placement will trump caliber, except when your talking about a 25 acp, a lot of those rds will not penatrate bone, I see we at time have a good number of people on here that seem to think they are experts, and they very well may be, however when it come to a self defence handgun, if the rd wont make it through a phone book, its usefullness is questionable
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I agree shot placement will trump caliber,
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except when your talking about a 25 acp
, a lot of those rds will not penatrate bone, I see we at time have a good number of people on here that seem to think they are experts, and they very well may be, however when it come to a self defence handgun,
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if the rd wont make it through a phone book, its usefullness is questionable
Still pissin on the 25 huh


The phone book crap is well--crap
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The discussions on caliber here have been pretty much inconclusive, but one thing has been proven quite well: Everybody has his/her own opinion based upon their own experience. And the freedom to banter about it, So carry whatever fits your own needs, but carry SOME kinda gun. If you don't, the BG's will win.

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