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Old 11-07-2011, 06:41 PM   #1
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Please don't take this as a post about how I think I shoot better than anyone else, I don't think that and that's not the point of my post.
So, at the range today there were a few other shooters. Most were shooting .45's, 9mm's a couple .22's and a .40 or two and a DE .44 Supermag. All these shooters were sending the targets out to about 15-20 feet. I was really surprised at poorly these people were shooting. Granted they could be new shooters or maybe they had new guns or maybe they were working out some kind of issue, but most of them were there with at least two, if not three or more handguns and they were shooting them all. I would never say anything critical to anyone about their shooting at the range, but I do wonder if they are trying to get better or are they just ingraining old, bad habits further into their muscle memory, I am a subscriber to the old saying that "practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes does". I generally only worry about myself at the range, but I have a bit of a competitive streak in me and I can't help but compare myself to others, if only to gauge my own progress. Anyone else notice this at you local range?

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Old 11-07-2011, 07:13 PM   #2
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Please don't take this as a post about how I think I shoot better than anyone else, I don't think that and that's not the point of my post.
So, at the range today there were a few other shooters. Most were shooting .45's, 9mm's a couple .22's and a .40 or two and a DE .44 Supermag. All these shooters were sending the targets out to about 15-20 feet. I was really surprised at poorly these people were shooting. Granted they could be new shooters or maybe they had new guns or maybe they were working out some kind of issue, but most of them were there with at least two, if not three or more handguns and they were shooting them all. I would never say anything critical to anyone about their shooting at the range, but I do wonder if they are trying to get better or are they just ingraining old, bad habits further into their muscle memory, I am a subscriber to the old saying that "practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes does". I generally only worry about myself at the range, but I have a bit of a competitive streak in me and I can't help but compare myself to others, if only to gauge my own progress. Anyone else notice this at you local range?
When at the range i generally try to strike up conversation and if someone is shooting poorly try to give friendly advice. I know i have learned a LOT from others when they were nice enough to offer advice in a friendly manner.

But i have also met those that pull the "me and my (insert type/brand/cal. gun) are the best."

Met a guy one day "teaching" his daughters boyfriend about guns. He had a 000001 serial # Kimber that he was just full of himself about. Now my springer is a VERY well used machine and is need of a rebuild. (Barrel and bushing) and he looked down his nose and talked it down. (ina friendly way )

Well he steps up and cuts loose with his Kimber. Puts 7 rounds all over a 12" paper plate and says "now THATS how you shoot a .45". My youngest looks at him and started to say something. I all but had to gag the kid! (he often wags his tongue before thinking) I then load up the Springer, and cut loose (before i had just been doing rapid fire drill and my patterns were decidedly large...hitting all on a standard sheet of notebook paper) with an eye towards hitting the bull....i dropped 6 of 7 in one ragged hole.

The kimber shooters daughter then pipes off and says "I want HIM (meaning me) to teach us, daddy!!

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I am by no means a perfect shot,nor professional caliber shooter. i just like to shoot and shoot a lot.
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I really don't feel that I am at a point to give advice yet. I have been shooting since I was 8 years old, but mostly shotgun and rifle, I have only been into handguns for about 5 years and only recently have I been putting in any real time at the range. I do study a lot, read and research and observe. I am a pretty good visual learner, I can pretty much watch someone and copy them after a few minutes. This comes from decades of intense ski coaching (I used to be a ski racer) I think being aware of your body and your balance is a huge thing in any sport. I am the new guy at my local range and I don't want to step on any toes. I do want to get some real training soon but that might have to wait until summer.

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This is why I have one handgun right now (hoping to change that with a 1911 purchase in a few months). Someone give me the source of one of my favorite quotes, as I can't remember, "Beware the man with only one gun. Chances are, he knows how to use it."

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I really don't feel that I am at a point to give advice yet. I have been shooting since I was 8 years old, but mostly shotgun and rifle, I have only been into handguns for about 5 years and only recently have I been putting in any real time at the range. I do study a lot, read and research and observe. I am a pretty good visual learner, I can pretty much watch someone and copy them after a few minutes. This comes from decades of intense ski coaching (I used to be a ski racer) I think being aware of your body and your balance is a huge thing in any sport. I am the new guy at my local range and I don't want to step on any toes. I do want to get some real training soon but that might have to wait until summer.
Same here friend.

But ANYONE can learn from ANYONE of ANY skill level. That is one irrefutible truth i have learned in my days. One never knows where the next lesson will come from. Only those that think they know it all, are not capable of learning...and vice versa when it comes to teaching. Learning is in the ability of the student to accept the knowledge...no matter the source.
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Please don't take this as a post about how I think I shoot better than anyone else, I don't think that and that's not the point of my post.
So, at the range today there were a few other shooters. Most were shooting .45's, 9mm's a couple .22's and a .40 or two and a DE .44 Supermag. All these shooters were sending the targets out to about 15-20 feet. I was really surprised at poorly these people were shooting. Granted they could be new shooters or maybe they had new guns or maybe they were working out some kind of issue, but most of them were there with at least two, if not three or more handguns and they were shooting them all. I would never say anything critical to anyone about their shooting at the range, but I do wonder if they are trying to get better or are they just ingraining old, bad habits further into their muscle memory, I am a subscriber to the old saying that "practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes does". I generally only worry about myself at the range, but I have a bit of a competitive streak in me and I can't help but compare myself to others, if only to gauge my own progress. Anyone else notice this at you local range?
This is not that uncommon at the many ranges I have visited over the years. The more public the range, the more common. The less public, less common. If someone asks, I will help, if not I stay to myself, unless there is a safety issue.

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I used to think that being able to stand still, and blow the ten ring out of a piece of paper was an accomplishment.

Its not, because with practice, anyone can do it.



Being one of the top IDPA shooters in my area, I now realize what an accomplishment is.

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Why do you feel it necessary to list your guns?

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Well, although I do like to mingle at the range I usually just leave people to their own devices. I personally like to shoot bullseye so at the pistol range all of my targets are set at a minimum of 25 yards. I find it pointless to shoot pistols at 21 feet, but, to each his own. No sport in my opinion. What I find even more interesting is the guy who has a .223 rifle and sets his targets 10 yards away. Now that IS POINTLESS.

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Not having seen what you describe I have no idea how badly the others were shooting but from my personal experience I know that I do not always shoot for groups at the range. Often times I am working on trigger pull, follow up shots, double taps, etc. I am happy when all shots hit center mass, afterall there are no multiple levels of dead bad guy.

Perhaps this is what you are seeing as well.

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I usually go to the range alone. I would hope that if someone saw me doing something wrong, they would politely come and correct me. I don't know how else I'll learn. And I like meeting new people.

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