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Old 11-17-2011, 04:14 PM   #11
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The reason I use defensive rounds is because I don't want the round going through the BG and into someone else.

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Beyond what has already been stated some critical defense rounds use a Nickel coated casing to help with a "brass check" as well as low flash powder to limit loss of night vision. +p loads like Hornady Critical Duty and Winchester Ranger are better suited for LE use. The higher pressures make for better barrier penetration not typical in self defense situations. The higher penetration increases pass through risk if used in the home.

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I have both FMJ and HP ready in barrel. With this climate change
happening rather quickly I need to be prepared for whatever
seasonal costume the BG's might be wearing that night.
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I have both FMJ and HP ready in barrel. With this climate change
happening rather quickly I need to be prepared for whatever
seasonal costume the BG's might be wearing that night.
Indeed. I have always carried staggered loaded mags as well....all year round, all guns.
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I have both FMJ and HP ready in barrel. With this climate change
happening rather quickly I need to be prepared for whatever
seasonal costume the BG's might be wearing that night.
I never even thought about that. So, would you carry ball ammo instead during the winter months? I havent really thought about it because here in Florida I wear cargo shorts, flip flops, and a t-shirt 12 months a year. I might add a thin jacket if it gets really cold, like 35-40 F.

So, when I go to Detroit this December, would ball be the best route since everyone will probably be wearing thick coats and jackets?
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So, when I go to Detroit this December, would ball be the best route since everyone will probably be wearing thick coats and jackets?
I have always carried staggered loaded mags. ball and JHP....all year round, all carried guns.

Blanket coverage and shot placement is King. Contrary to popular belief, it does not affect one's accuracy. Try it, you might like it.
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Werminator, when you say + O, por can you be a little more specific, I have started reloading my own and have purchased some Hornady XTP bullets. I would like to come as close as possible to a critical defense round in my reloading process...

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It is not a good idea to use home loaded ammo for defense. A prosecutor or lawyer would have a heyday in court making you out to be some kind of monster. I like the idea of the Critical Defense ammo but a good guide line is to find out what the LEO's in your area are using and use the same.
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I never even thought about that. So, would you carry ball ammo instead during the winter months? I havent really thought about it because here in Florida I wear cargo shorts, flip flops, and a t-shirt 12 months a year. I might add a thin jacket if it gets really cold, like 35-40 F.

So, when I go to Detroit this December, would ball be the best route since everyone will probably be wearing thick coats and jackets?
FMJ will have a greater chance of penetration if BG wore thick clothing.
HP's will get snagged and tangled with threads of jacket.
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Just try to not to use the CD ammo

accidentally at the range!

It costs 5 times what FMJs do, arrrgh!

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STAK, try this...
I had wondered how much difference it made as well a while back. At the time I was carrying a 357 snub. I took a few stacks of old phonebooks from the year before. I shot four different type rounds. Each time was at 20yds, into a new stack. First was a low power 38 in FMJ. Ripped through 6 1/2 books. The bullet was not distorted at all. Second was the same load, only it was lead round nose. 5 books. Good flat spread on the lead. Third was 38+P JHP. 7 books. The spread was phenominal. Last was 158 grain 357 semi jacketed hollow point. 8 1/2 books. The tiny little entrance hole was only about 1/4 the size of the bullet when I pulled it out of the paper. Not much on the topic, but where as the first three rounds made the stack of books flip 90 degrees to their backs, the 158 grain flipped the books 1/2 over and almost went another turn. JMHO go with the real stuff for carry. Another 2 cents of mine...look into Corbon PowerBall

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