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stakhaus 11-06-2011 10:30 PM

Question on Critical Defense vs regular rounds...
Good day fellow Hand Gun Owners,

I have been perplexed over the discussions on carrying Critical Defense Rounds JHP etc for personal protection. I normally carry the same rounds i practice with at the range. My thoughts are this, I train as I fight, if I am in a situation where I HAVE to pull the trigger, the placement of the round is everything. If I can put two in the chest that is all that is needed, maybe a follow up to the face. Please help me to understand all the hype or truth on using Critical Defense Hydra Shocks Hollow Points etc, for protection.

Thanks for the feedback.


JonM 11-06-2011 10:37 PM

hollow points have a very good chance of making bigger holes dropping the goblin's blood pressure faster saving your life or a loved ones sooner. the sooner a goblin is stopped the better the chance of survival.

point of impact from load to load at 7yards (typical SD range) is negligible.

for practical use bullet drop isnt a real factor until you get out and beyound 25yards. yeah you want to dial in an exact poi vs poa if your bullseye competition shooting. your talking fractions of an inch from light loads to heavy loads at SD ranges.

woody63m 11-06-2011 10:41 PM

I use hydra shok because I've been shot with one in the stomach and they hurt like hell almost died more times then I can count lucky as all hell though I'm living that and in court for me it wouldn't be so bad. Your honor I shot him with a bullet that I can catch so I figured he could catch it to it's only 11 months in the hospital if he doesn't die first

MrWray 11-07-2011 12:39 AM

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I went out this afternoon and shot a few mags out of my 1911. I was using Hornady TAP 230g jhp.. i was shooting at paper targets into a soft dirt and clay mixed berm. Afterwards i dug a few bullets out of the clay. I think that they mushroomed pretty decent.

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Thats a big hunk of lead..

JTJ 11-07-2011 01:00 AM

The HP ammo also limits penetration in most cases which limits collateral damage. Sometimes the Hollow point bullets will plug on clothing and act as a solid. Hornady Critical Defense is designed not to plug. This is also where the 45acp excels. it is big going in and if it doesnt expand it is still big going out.

stakhaus 11-07-2011 12:16 PM

thanks for the input...
Thanks fellas for the input, it is making me rethink what I load in my CC.


sweeper22 11-07-2011 05:40 PM

JHP's will...

1) Dump more energy into a target, rather than carry it through the target.
2) Expand, making for a bigger hole.
3) Be less likely to exit your target and hit whatever exists beyond it.

...that's enough reason for me.

Werminator 11-08-2011 04:11 PM

Let's not miss one of the most important parts of a round dumping energy... If a bullet hits with enough energy it creates a virtual wound cavity... This refers to the outter diameter of the bullet's impact being sucked in with the round and doing more damage to surrounding tissue than the damage done specifically by the bullet. This phenomena is more noteworthy when discussing rifle rounds due to their much higher speed and consequently higher energy on target. A round nosed bullet will push tissue out of its way while a hollow point will actually pull tissue in with it as it enters the target. The dynamics of a hollow point make it much more effective in doing damage to a gremlin and most defensive rounds are also loaded to +P rated pressures which increase the velocity it has comingout of the barrel and this also contributes to much more energy on target.

stakhaus 11-17-2011 02:30 PM

Werminator, when you say + O, por can you be a little more specific, I have started reloading my own and have purchased some Hornady XTP bullets. I would like to come as close as possible to a critical defense round in my reloading process...


stakhaus 11-17-2011 03:10 PM

Werminator that should be + P autocorrect got me...

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