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Old 12-24-2013, 07:46 PM   #31
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Federal Regulations – Title 39 – which is named “Conduct on Postal Property” says “No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.”

Your PO Box is on postal property. Come to think of it, you will probably park on postal property, too.
Which brings up a curious extension of the original question: If I drive thru the mail drop and don't park or get out, is it illegal for me to be carrying in my car while driving through the post office parking lot?

Edit: http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/08/08-31197.0.wpd.pdf

This reference, mentioned in a post above, covers a person (an employee?) who left his gun locked up in his car in the parking lot. This case probably provides ample support for the idea that even driving through the parking lot armed is a violation. (shakes head in wonder...)
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if the lot is owned by the postal service then yes(this is not always the case my PO is in a strip mall in a leased space) I have worked with some CI's with the Postal Service and they say that it happens a lot more than you hear about and its mostly employees like the guy in that case just posted, but on quite a few occasions they were brought in on something by local PD who stopped someone on postal property and found a legal firearm on body or in vehicle.

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if the lot is owned by the postal service then yes(this is not always the case my PO is in a strip mall in a leased space) I have worked with some CI's with the Postal Service and they say that it happens a lot more than you hear about and its mostly employees like the guy in that case just posted, but on quite a few occasions they were brought in on something by local PD who stopped someone on postal property and found a legal firearm on body or in vehicle.
Dang. That makes for an even more ridiculous "what if".

You are driving down the road. A police car signals for you to pull over. You pull off the road into the nearest available parking lot (to avoid being accused of attempted evasion). That parking lot is the Post Office parking lot. The officer checks your tag and up pops the information that you have a CCW. When the officer approaches your vehicle, you hand him your drivers license, insurance card and CCW license, as you should do. He asks if you are carrying right now. You say yes. He arrests you for carrying on Federal property.

Seems all too probable based on the case law mentioned above and present political climate. Outrageous, but it would happen that way if the police wanted to make it so.
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Most local Leo's I met would never do that in the situation you just mentioned probably would just tell you next time be more aware of where you pull into, but it is possible. Now say your evading law enforcement (not to likely with the ftf group) and you abandon your vehicle on postal property and flee leaving gun in car you can guarantee that you will be prosecuted in both federal and local courts from felony evading and unlawful possession while committing a felony to federal possession on postal property

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What are you doing to get stopped and searched in the first place? This isn't communist Russia, there needs to be a reason.......

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Honestly it's not even about being fearful it's about how screwed up our laws are and the abuse against lac's who are fallible people who might make an honest mistake and get staked out in the desert because of it. It's a common thing in many Americans lives now. It even affects our service members overseas in combat zones (how one mistake can get you persecuted or dead) read lone survivor and you will see the obvious dilemma there

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And a search isn't necessarily what will happen many states you have to notify/report cc or possession in vehicle immediately so even a cop pulling you over for a taillight warning could nail you if you happened to pull onto postal property(actually local Leo won't handle the charge it will be a usps ci

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A Federal Judge in Colorado in July ruled it OK to have to have a gun in the parking lot,but it's still illegal to carry inside the building.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/you-can-now-bear-arms-in-a-post-office-parking-lot-20130711Your best bet is to ask an attorney,or your state's attorney general instead of asking for legal advice on the internet.

And I also understand that only FFLs CAN ship handguns via USPS.

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Dang. That makes for an even more ridiculous "what if".

You are driving down the road. A police car signals for you to pull over. You pull off the road into the nearest available parking lot (to avoid being accused of attempted evasion). That parking lot is the Post Office parking lot. The officer checks your tag and up pops the information that you have a CCW. When the officer approaches your vehicle, you hand him your drivers license, insurance card and CCW license, as you should do. He asks if you are carrying right now. You say yes. He arrests you for carrying on Federal property.

Seems all too probable based on the case law mentioned above and present political climate. Outrageous, but it would happen that way if the police wanted to make it so.
In all probability you could successfully argue that you were following the lawful order of a LEO and your state statute. If not for them you never would have been on post office property knowing that you would be breaking the law.
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For what it's worth, a post office is technically not a federal building. That's why they specify post office under it's own code. Also, for what it's worth, Postal Service Regulations do not specify building, they specify post office property. There is case law on the books concerning an arrest, conviction, and failed appeal of an employee that left his gun in the car, in a lock box, in the post office parking lot.

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/08/08-31197.0.wpd.pdf
Very interesting. Thanks for the information.
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