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Old 10-10-2012, 04:43 PM   #31
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Please tell us how many large game animals you have shot, I'm talking bear, moose, mule deer, elk, etc.
I've Tagged out every year whitetail and have taken a lot of with crop damage tags and I've used my 9mm during crop damage.but your completely on another conversation look up the ballistics they are not that much different. I'm comfortable with the 9mm if you like something else more power to you but a little more velocity and energy isn't really worth carrying 1/3 the rounds plus take into a count reload speed and ease of carrying extra mags








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All very good but you are talking deer not bears. In Alaska on large bears a 44mag is minimum. A 454 Casull is prefered. The barrels are short because you wont have time to clear leather with a long barrel. For black bear the 44mag will work and the preferred load is a 300 grain hard cast solid. A charging bear can hit 30 mph. Do you really think you can draw and shoot accurately that fast? Hiking in Alaska I usually carried a 12 gauge loaded with Brenneke slugs and I carried it in my hand, no sling.

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All very good but you are talking deer not bears. In Alaska on large bears a 44mag is minimum. A 454 Casull is prefered. The barrels are short because you wont have time to clear leather with a long barrel. For black bear the 44mag will work and the preferred load is a 300 grain hard cast solid. A charging bear can hit 30 mph. Do you really think you can draw and shoot accurately that fast? Hiking in Alaska I usually carried a 12 gauge loaded with Brenneke slugs and I carried it in my hand, no sling.
I'm not disputing the fact that a 44 mag would have more affect on the animal, like you said do " do you really thing you can draw and shoot accurately that fast?" no you will unholster you weapon and start shooting and not stop until you run out of round myself I'd rather have 17 rounds than 5or 6 but it's what YOU prefer
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To the op, I would go with the heaviest, hottest loaded ball ammo I could find. Hard hitting is whatcha need. I hope ya never need a .40 against a big ole grizzly bear!

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To the op, I would go with the heaviest, hottest loaded ball ammo I could find. Hard hitting is whatcha need. I hope ya never need a .40 against a big ole grizzly bear!
Me either. Thankfully those confrontations are very rare. The black bears and wolves are an issue of concern though, and thankfully the black bears in my area aren't getting any bigger than, (in my opinion) a fat wolf. Not to say that there aren't any bigger, just equally rare. Mountain lions are an issue also. We seem to be getting more attacks by lions lately, and the way they move and the size I would be more comfortable with more available shots using my xd if I choose not to bring my Moss 500. Which is chambered 00 buck, slug, slug, slug, 00 buck, slug, slug. With wolves which I've seen up there, I feel at a distance and in packs the first shot should be a deterrent. My opinion guys.
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I am trying to find a round that would be good for protection against wolves and or bears, (up close and personal of course) if I would have to defend myself.
Bless you and shoot straight! Aim for the nose or testicals, repeatedly.

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I'm not disputing the fact that a 44 mag would have more affect on the animal, like you said do " do you really thing you can draw and shoot accurately that fast?" no you will unholster you weapon and start shooting and not stop until you run out of round myself I'd rather have 17 rounds than 5or 6 but it's what YOU prefer
If you are fast you might be able to get off 3 rounds- very fast maybe 5 rounds. Most people can not believe how fast a bear is. Grizzly bears are sneaky and smart. They will ambush a hunter.
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I'm no expert, but I'd like to think that a bear's heart is a decent target size. I'd look at some anatomy pictures to get a good idea where it's located. A smaller round will do the job. You could probably even kill a grizzly with a .22LR. But a bigger bullet will have more cavity damage (not talking about "stopping power", but the eruptive spread of the wound channel). So instead of waiting for its heart to fail, you'd want to completely destroy it, rupture it, stop it ASAP.

40 = nothing special


44 mag = badass

Play both at the same time to get the full realization experience. Look at the size of the wound channel of the .44mag even after the .40's channel has collapsed on itself.

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I had a moose run a good ways with a destroyed heart and a broken shoulder from a 375 H&H. 10 seconds is plenty of time for a bear to kill you. You will shooting frontal not side.

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