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Old 08-13-2009, 01:05 PM   #11
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All of the handguns I listed except for the Sig are new....at least less than a year old. And I don't plan on actually firing any +P or +P+ ammo unless I have to in defending myself, my family, or my stuff (I'm from Texas). I just don't want the gun to blow up in my hand while I'm in that process, heaven forbid I ever should be!

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The OP didn't ask about or even mention anything about warranties.

He also didn't say anything about being in the market for a new gun, and he provided a list of the guns he ALREADY owned.

I have no idea whether any of his guns are still under warranty or not, and don't consider it relevant to what he was asking.

Having actual shooting experience with all five guns he mentioned, and actually having owned three of the models on that list, I can attest to the fact that all five of the firearms he mentioned will fire +P with NO problems whatsoever.

I answered the OP's question straight up, without any superfluous meandering, and was as "complete" as I intended to be. As a general rule, I don't volunteer extraneous information that isn't specifically asked of me.
Calm down. He added to your answer with some information that IS relevant. Would you not want to know that using certain ammo would void your warranty? I would. Was it directly asked? no, but it is relevant.
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You don't need to get your panties in a wad & get jealous just because jd answered with more information (and better) than you did. Most people are interested in whether doing the questionable act at hand will void their warranties. Just because you or I can safely shoot something in OUR firearms, don't mean it's "officially" safe in his firearms in regards to warranty. In fact, the 1911s I set up to take a steady diet of +P or +P+ level ammo have stronger recoil springs and/or buffers-as the customer desires. Factory guns don't have stronger recoil springs so it's best to go by manufacturer's recommendations-as per jd's advise.




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The OP didn't ask about or even mention anything about warranties.

He also didn't say anything about being in the market for a new gun, and he provided a list of the guns he ALREADY owned.

I have no idea whether any of his guns are still under warranty or not, and don't consider it relevant to what he was asking.

Having actual shooting experience with all five guns he mentioned, and actually having owned three of the models on that list, I can attest to the fact that all five of the firearms he mentioned will fire +P with NO problems whatsoever.

I answered the OP's question straight up, without any superfluous meandering, and was as "complete" as I intended to be. As a general rule, I don't volunteer extraneous information that isn't specifically asked of me.
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Personally, I welcome any and all information I can get - as long as it factual - and JDs info was. Last time I checked, giving a thorough answer based on facts is a good thing...

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I am thankful to everyone for the info. No, I wasn't thinking about warranties. Probably should have, but in my fairly long experience with handguns, I've never had an issue that would cause me to use a warranty....the guns have always worked as promised! All I wanted to know was if that type of ammo was safe in the particular .45s I own. Didn't mean to open a can of hornets and a worm's nest!

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Not to derail this thread but when it comes to 45 ammo what is the benifit of +P ammo? I understand the additional punch but is it a round anyone carries over the standard round if so why? I have some +P ammo and bought it much like the OP did, it was all I could get my hands on at the time. Mine are FMJ and I prefer HP for PD.
WDB - Basically the +P or +P+ round is the same bullet on some mild steriods. The cartridges are hotter than 'normal' or SAMMI specs.

A lot of manufacturers, like Succinct's experience with XD, will say it's okay to shoot the hotter loads, but do not it all the time WITHOUT making some mods to the weapon.

Just about all the 1911 houses will tell you, just like stalkingbear did, to run stronger springs to help ease the impact to the weapon and it's components.

For real world numbers:

My 5" Nighthawk shoots a standard 230 gr. bullet at about 840-850fps, depending on the maker of the ammo.

The same gun will shoot my +P Lawman right at 900fps, so the extra fps will lead to better penetration and have a much better chance of the hollow point opening fully before the bullet comes to a stop.

I only carry +P Hollowpoints, I prefer the Winchester Lawman, because I want the extra punch. Living here in the Northwest, I don't want to have to worry about a big, puffy Northface coat and two flannel shirts under it before I hit skin.

The only gun that I own that came with a recoil spring rated for +P+ was the HK.

The rest of them, even the Nighthawks, recommended upsizing the recoil spring for the safety and longevity of the pistol. None of the makers have ever said "DON'T Shoot +P in our weapon" - they always have conditions....Don't do it alot, or we would recommend changing these parts if you are going to feed it a steady diet of the +P. Something like that....

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JD, thanks for the answer, it makes sense. I've held off using the +P rounds I have for PD because I don't shoot that round on a regular basis and while my carry gun is rated for +P it isn't advised for a steady diet.

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I use +P and +P+ for my carry ammo. I rarely target shoot with it, as that gets dammed expensive. It doesn't do the springs any favors either. My CZ75B (.40 Cal) is specifically set up for +P+ however, it eats anything you put in it.

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I use +P and +P+ for my carry ammo. I rarely target shoot with it, as that gets dammed expensive. It doesn't do the springs any favors either. My CZ75B (.40 Cal) is specifically set up for +P+ however, it eats anything you put in it.
The .40 S&W is a new round. There is no +P for new rounds. They are all made for modern weapons.
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