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Old 03-17-2010, 01:38 PM   #1
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The current XD vs XDm thread raises this issue and I think it's an interesting one. The XDm has a "match" grade barrel - so does this means it's more inherently accurate than a "regular" barrel? Can you, with your shooting skills, exceed the capability of the plain old XD?

Personally, while I'm a decent shot, there is no way I can out shoot the mechanical accuracy of any pistol I own. Yes, I own some "target" grade 1911s but TBH I shoot pretty much the same with any of the 1911s I have - even the el cheapo RIA. Just wondering if you folks are closer to out shooting your pistols than I am...

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Old 03-17-2010, 02:11 PM   #2
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Well said, Dave. The speculation, anticipation, and conversation over the old XD/XDm debate is something that I've never understood....but it has to be one of the most popular subjects on the forum. I don't get it.

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Nor do I Lon. I understand the need for a "match" grade barrel in a rife where you're going after extreme accuracy at long distances - but in a short range gun like a pistol? Sure, many "match" grade 1911s have "guarantees" of accuracy - but the vast majority of us don't shoot well enough to prove it.

JD, does the Nighthawk come with any guarantee of accuracy?

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Dave, I think you hit the nail square on the head!

I think the population of championship shooters, just like the population of F1 drivers or NHL hockey players, is small and elite.

The members of this exclusive fraternity put their talents on public display each time they perform in their arena of talent.

As this demonstration of talent evolves, so do the tools of its participants. This natural progression keeps the contestants relentlessly striving to advance their skills.

The tools used at this level of competition are far and above superior to those available to us peons. Keep this in mind; the champions aren’t even shooting to 100% of their gun’s potential.

With all that lead-in, IMHO none of us even come close to achieving or exceeding the mechanical level of accuracy of the guns available to us. (This is my personal opinion and does not include Jimenez Arms, Jennings Firearms, French MAB's or glocks!)

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JD, does the Nighthawk come with any guarantee of accuracy?
Oh man, you WENT there, didn't you????
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Nope, not a chance. I still only shoot 2" groupings with my Ruger. =P

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No, I just shoot ok.

Here are some of my targets.

Notice some bullseye shots. That means my pistols (browning, cz, kimber) are capable of making that shot. If it can heppen once it can be done everytime, but not by me.
I'm a once or twice a month shooter. You'd have to shoot thousands and thousands every year to get good enough too do that. I don't have the time or the funds.
I'll probably never be as good as my pistols.

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The way I look at it, being the mediocre pistol shot that I am, is that an inaccurate pistol has just as much chance of helping my score as hurting it...

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At my age and with my crappy eyes, the days of bullseye shooting for me are long past. I'm very happy to keep everything in a fist sized group at POA at 10 yards firing rapidly. Yes, I have some nice hardware; however, I don't need a match grade gun with my limitations - it's hype as far as my skills are concerned...

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The way I look at it, being the mediocre pistol shot that I am, is that an inaccurate pistol has just as much chance of helping my score as hurting it...
Your ideas are intriguing sir, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Also, x2.

Fun story, when I went to go qual on the M-9 for my first deployment, the RSO suggested to several people (myself included) that if it came down to us using our handguns, we'd be better off throwing it at the target and hoping to either knock them out, or give us enough time to reload our M-4 and use that to kill them.

...That or surrender.
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