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Old 10-07-2009, 03:26 PM   #21
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One of the nicest 22 LR semiautos I've ever seen is the Beretta Model 87 (the standard rather than the target). Bought one for my wife and she let me shoot it the first time out. A really fine weapon. Can be carried with the hammer down for DA/SA or optionally carried cocked n locked. Accurate for such a small gun too. These days the wife guards it carefully and chases me away when I get close (LOL).

Solved the problem with a Advantage Arms 22 Conversion Kit for the Glock 20/21. Not as accurate as the Beretta but if you follow the makers instructions for choice of ammo and lubrication it is as reliable as the Ruger 22/45 I used to have as a loner for the classes I taught. The AA kit also gives me extra trigger time on my primary weapons (G21s & G20s).

Never could warm up to 22 revolvers. Always seemed too much bother loading just to shoot 6 rounds. The S&W 617 pictured above would be an answer except for the MIM hammer & trigger and that idiot lock above the cylinder release. Oh well...

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The S&W 617 pictured above would be an answer except for the MIM hammer & trigger and that idiot lock above the cylinder release. Oh well...

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None of which bothers me at all. Some folks take issue and some don't...
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Calm down! I wasn't criticizing your choice of 22 firearms, just explaining why the 617 pictured would not be an answer for me.

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Calm down! I wasn't criticizing your choice of 22 firearms, just explaining why the 617 pictured would not be an answer for me.

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I'm calm, just making the point that these issues are important to some and not important to others.

In a defensive pistol these issues may be relevant to some, in a .22 plinker not even remotely. I have yet to hear of a single failure of an MIM hammer or trigger and I also spend time on the S&W forum. As far as the internal lock goes, there have been reports of it self engaging in big bore and/or light frame guns. My 686+ serves as my nightstand gun and I disabled the IL just to be on the safe side...

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I'm calm, just making the point that these issues are important to some and not important to others.

In a defensive pistol these issues may be relevant to some, in a .22 plinker not even remotely. I have yet to hear of a single failure of an MIM hammer or trigger and I also spend time on the S&W forum. As far as the internal lock goes, there have been reports of it self engaging in big bore and/or light frame guns. My 686+ serves as my nightstand gun and I disabled the IL just to be on the safe side...
Hey, if you're happy more power to you. MIM is a cost cutting measure that marks a reduction in quality. The lock was designed by lawyers, not gun people. I object to both and won't spend my money on either one. That's my choice. I haven't said anyone else should do anything but what they want.

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Hey, if you're happy more power to you. MIM is a cost cutting measure that marks a reduction in quality. The lock was designed by lawyers, not gun people. I object to both and won't spend my money on either one. That's my choice. I haven't said anyone else should do anything but what they want.

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Hey Dave, does your disdain for MIM carry over to things other than handguns?

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MIM is a cost cutting measure that marks a reduction in quality. Dave
I agree with Dave T on this point. I would not, knowing what I know after spending close to 6 years in a gunshop, carry a personal defense weapon with MIM parts in it. That is a personal, prejudiced, and opinionated view.

In a .22 pistol, I would not object as this is a cost cutting measure, if the cost savings was passed along to the customer. I would never carry, or bet my life on a .22, especially a pistol, so the MIM parts would be a moot point....

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Ya know, I have tried to explain a couple times that this is just my opinion and I'm not telling anyone else what to think or do. Now a second poster has chimed in giving me gruff about what I said.

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I have owned and still own S&Ws that had forged steel hammers & triggers, case hardened to give the baring surfaces resistance to wear. I admire the workmanship and quality that went into those fine revolvers and the introduction of MIM parts by S&W marked a cheepening of the brand as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to buy any of the newer Smiths. I didn't realize I needed your permission or was required to look under the hood of my truck before expressing that opinion on an open forum.

I'm new to this particular forum but not gun forums on the internet. I'm beginning to think joining FirearmsTalk may have been a mistake.

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You can make that decision in 9 posts???

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