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Old 01-23-2012, 08:45 PM   #21
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How about a couple that SHOULD be obsolete? .32 ACP and .25 ACP.

These calibers were effective as a deterrent, a hundred years ago, when a belly wound, because of the lack of antibiotics, with either round, would cause an eventual and horribly painful death.

Now you are just liable to really piss someone off using this as a defensive round.
I agree. If you shoot a perp with one of those, he may just live long enough to empty his .45 into your sorry body.
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How about a couple that SHOULD be obsolete? .32 ACP and .25 ACP.

These calibers were effective as a deterrent, a hundred years ago, when a belly wound, because of the lack of antibiotics, with either round, would cause an eventual and horribly painful death.

Now you are just liable to really piss someone off using this as a defensive round.
I agree with that
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I agree with that
Second that.
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How widespread the base of firearms that shoot it will determine how long the round stays in production. the two most popular deer rifles in the US are the Winchester 94, and the Marlin 336- BOTH in 30-30. Not sure than an ocean liner could carry all of the 30-30s in the US.

OTOH, I have a LOVELY Winchester lever action that I inherited from my uncle- a Winchester 71. The only made it in one caliber- .348 Winchester. And I do not know of another production gun made in .348 Winchester. While it will knock a moose on it's ass, not THAT many people wanted to spend that much money for a moose flattener.

The assorted WSSSSSSSSSM rounds are doomed to a short life cycle (IMHO)- there are just not scads of guns that use them. Likewise the .45 GAP, and the .17M2.

I have references FULL of rounds you hardly ever see. Some are out of production, some just scarce. Y'a'll ever see a .35 S&W Auto? .307 Winchester? 32-20 (waiting for the 32 H&R Magnum to join it) 38-40, .25 Stevens RF, 30-40 Krag? 6.5 Carcano, 7.5 Swiss, 9mm Ultra?

My well loved .220 Swift is kept alive by die hard reloaders and ground hog removers. If there are not enough folks buying, the companies are not going to make it.

Got a half box of 32 GAUGE shotshells sitting on my desk. Great round for doves. You won't find it outside South America.
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32 gauge? How big is that? Give us some pics man! With maybe a 12 gauge and a 410 for comparison.
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32 gauge? How big is that? Give us some pics man! With maybe a 12 gauge and a 410 for comparison.
A 32g would be pretty small wouldnt it?
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A 32g would be pretty small wouldnt it?
I'm thinking it can't be much bigger than a 410
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Im kinda torn with my 7mmwsm,its a nice setup.

Winchester model 70, Pentax 3x9x50 scope,and Harris bipod.

Its a tack driver but i dont know if i should sell for something else or just keep it for what it is. I dont see myself buying alot of ammo for it but i also dont like getting rid of guns
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So if I give you a documented quote out of an authoritative book (Rolling Thunder In A Peaceful Land) would that change your mind at all?
Nope, don't waste your time. Terms like "superior" and "inferior" are subjective, most particularly in the context of the Stoner v. Kalashnikov platforms.

We all know certain characteristics may be more or less desirable than others as times change, but to correctly declare one platform or round "obsolete" is to do so only in a small context, and one must ignore other current and potential-future contexts where it may be the best choice.

For example, citing the replacement of the .357 revolver with a semi-auto (what? 9mm?) as proof the .357 has become obsolete is to ignore that those who used to carry the 5- or 6- shot revolver were more capable than those who require the extra capacity today. Incompetence of the shooter does not bring about obsolescence of the round.

As for the Stoner platform, you DO realize the AR-15 was Armalite's nomenclature and never made it to the military, right? It wasn't until after Colt bought it and modified Stoner's design and screwed it up did it reach first the Air Force (I think that was the first branch to get 'em) and then make its way around the branches. When they redesigned back closer to Stoner's original design, it became more reliable and hence more useful.

The AR-15 is the civilian semi of Stoner's rifle. Having fired AKs and ARs at several ranges, my takeaway is the AK is like a chainsaw and the AR is like a scalpel. YMMV.
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Effing bravo. *applause*
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