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Old 04-14-2010, 01:39 AM   #1
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im new to guns but id just like to know what it means a round is necked down to a say a .22 cal i can't think of a better example right now then whats the pros and cons of using like a coonan classic 1911 in .357 mag with a 275 grain and having a backup 300grain

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Old 04-14-2010, 02:16 AM   #2
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Welcome- how about stopping over by the intro section, and introduce yourself to us-

Now, take a DEEP breath- remember punctuation is our friend....

Trying to sort out your question(s)

First, a "necked"cartridge has a larger body that tapers quickly to a smaller bullet. Not used in a LOT of handguns other than single shot pistols, it is mainly a rifle cartridge, and is a means of increasing pressures, and from that, increasing the speed of the bullet in flight. Do a Google image search for 30-06 cartridge. Necked down to .22 may mean a cartridge that is usually .35 or .30 caliber is squeezed down further, to .22 cal.

Pros and Cons of using...... Sorry, you lost me there. Using for WHAT? Hunting, Bullseye type matches, Bowling Pin shoots, self defense, a paperweight... Most 1911s are caliber .45 ACP- have seen a few in other calibers like 9mm, 38 Super, and .38 AMU- but a .357 does not jump out at me. .357 Magnum is typically a revolver, ot an auto pistol. There is no 275 Gr .357, nor a 300 grain. Those are rather heavy bullets even for a .45 ACP.

Could we take another run at this, and explain what it is you wish to accomplish? PS- While I CAN be sarcastic at times- this really is not one of those times. We'd like to help, but question needs unmuddling first.
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Gotta agree with C3. Capital letters and punctuation would be of assistance.

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is that kid drunk?

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If I ever asked a question in that manner (which never happened) I would be struck with the nearest solid object in sight. . .

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No guys, he's not drunk (as far as I can tell). I picked his post apart and figured out he's talking about an out-of-production gun. He's refering the the Coonan Classic 357 Magnum on the 1911 style frame. I used to be intrigued buy the odd type of guns and this happened to be one of them, oddly enough I didnt catch its big brother the LAR Grizzly in 44 Magnum.

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If you can get ahold of a Coonan Classic 357 magnum you may as well get its LAR 44 Magnum big brother but be ready to shell out big time and I mean big time.
Both dont feed too well with the long rounds in that sort of set-up and thus the reason of their demise. It sounds as if you want an auto-loader and if you got the dead-presidents for it then get a Desert Eagle in whatever caliber you like, but its still going to be hard to hold onto and manage recoil with those rounds in an auto-loader.
As for the 300 grain 357mag....well that is hard to do seeing has how those are hard to come by. I know of 300 grain 45 diameter bullets but they are more like 45 Long Colt or 454 Magnums, but I'm going to leave that to the more experienced reloaders.

If you really want to have a 357 magnum that will feed reliably and from the sound of it you'd be using as a home-defense gun (since you asked about back up rounds) then I'd suggest you go with a good ol' fashioned revolver.

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I put the coonan classic 1911 .357 mag as an example because i saw in another forum where this person said they would carry a coonan classic with a 275grain round in the loaded magazine with a backup 300grain round in a magazine in a magazine pouch

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The Coonan Classic is chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge. The heaviest practical bullet for that caliber is 180 grains. The Coonan Grizzly is chambered in .44 Magnum. It is a similar handgun but not quite the same. You can load 300 grain bullets in a .44 Magnum, but they are not really practical for the Grizzly.

To expound a bit on C3's post...Any bottle necked cartridge is technically "necked down". The term is usually applied to a standard caliber that is modified to accept a smaller diameter bullet. A .257 Roberts is a necked down 7 X 57 (7mm Mauser). A .243 Winchester is a necked down .308. A .25-06 is a necked down .30-06 (hence the "-06" designation), etc.

About the only common pistol cartridge that is "necked down" from a parent cartridge is the .357 Sig which is (Almost) a necked down .40 S&W.

To further muddy the waters, there are also "necked up" cartridges. The .35 Whelen is a necked up .30-06. There are several "Wildcat" cartridges that are "necked up" including the 8mm-06.

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The Coonan Classic is chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge. The heaviest practical bullet for that caliber is 180 grains. The Coonan Grizzly is chambered in .44 Magnum. It is a similar handgun but not quite the same. You can load 300 grain bullets in a .44 Magnum, but they are not really practical for the Grizzly.

To expound a bit on C3's post...Any bottle necked cartridge is technically "necked down". The term is usually applied to a standard caliber that is modified to accept a smaller diameter bullet. A .257 Roberts is a necked down 7 X 57 (7mm Mauser). A .243 Winchester is a necked down .308. A .25-06 is a necked down .30-06 (hence the "-06" designation), etc.

About the only common pistol cartridge that is "necked down" from a parent cartridge is the .357 Sig which is (Almost) a necked down .40 S&W.

To further muddy the waters, there are also "necked up" cartridges. The .35 Whelen is a necked up .30-06. There are several "Wildcat" cartridges that are "necked up" including the 8mm-06.
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As much as these guns go for on Gun Broker and other sites, you may as well buy one caliber in Desert Eagle and be happy with the ability to change caliber easily.
I cant even find a Mark IV LAR Grizzly in 44 Magnum much less any other variant.
I figure since the old Desert Eagles are 44 magnum it might be a bit cheaper than the new ones. The 44 mag is as much as I want in an auto-loader really, of course it would be a novelty for the most part for me.

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