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Old 05-30-2012, 06:11 AM   #21
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Dmage to what? Wet newspapers, balastic jell, old brake drums or humans?

Assuming youre talking about actual self defense use, then actual shooting statistics should be your guide. In a handgun round in ACTUAL shootouts, the most effective rounds for one shot stops are the .45 acp and .357 mag.

However, if you are talking pure killing ability, then you have to go with the .22 long rifle, it has been responable for more deaths in the united states than any other round, or any 3 rounds put together. Of course it wasnt on your list so I digressed a little.

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I would put them in the following order:

.380, .38 Special, 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum and 10mm
FIFY xD....
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:25 AM   #23
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A lot of you are looking too far into this question. What I gather is that OP is looking for the damage potential of the rounds he listed. All things being equal, I believe what I posted was correct. When you start bringing in all these other variables into the equation, most of which can't be measured accurately making them irrelevant to the OP. It's a simple question, stop over analyzing it.

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Can't argue there.
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I always like throw this into the conversation. All of these handgun calibers are virtually side-by-side in damage caused if viewed on a chart that includes rifle cartridges. The 150 ft-lbs of .380acp even up to the 600 ft-lbs of the hottest .357mag is nothing compared to the 2000ft-lbs of the .30-30 Win or the 4000ft-lbs of the .338Lapua.

My only point is that we get all bent out of shape when it really comes down to reliability of the handgun and the ability of the user to get shots on target. Handgun calibers when viewed from the larger perspective, are all VERY similar. What's a couple hundred foot-pounds among friends?
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Dmage to what? Wet newspapers, balastic jell, old brake drums or humans?

Assuming youre talking about actual self defense use, then actual shooting statistics should be your guide. In a handgun round in ACTUAL shootouts, the most effective rounds for one shot stops are the .45 acp and .357 mag.

However, if you are talking pure killing ability, then you have to go with the .22 long rifle, it has been responable for more deaths in the united states than any other round, or any 3 rounds put together. Of course it wasnt on your list so I digressed a little.
Wow. I never new. Is this because of well placed shots for the most part or because the human body cannot withstand the damage a .22 can cause?
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A lot of you are looking too far into this question. What I gather is that OP is looking for the damage potential of the rounds he listed. All things being equal, I believe what I posted was correct. When you start bringing in all these other variables into the equation, most of which can't be measured accurately making them irrelevant to the OP. It's a simple question, stop over analyzing it.



Can't argue there.
I'm sorry I do not understand what FIFY xD means
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http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/printable/node/7866

Good read on Triggerjobs comment.
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I'm sorry I do not understand what FIFY xD means
He added the 10mm on there and FIFY is just an acronym for "Fixed it for You." The xD on the end is just a smiley face.
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All hangun rounds suck.

Most non-magnums perform pretty close to each other in reality. The .357 mag with 125gr ammo was known as the number one stopper for a long time. Military never adopted it because it came in revolvers and they couldn't standardize on it. But many police departments and highway patrol units did.

9mm is a round that uses a fairly fast light bullet. The .45 uses a heavy slow bullet. Energy of each is about the same. The advantage teh .45 has is in full metal jacket military rounds where having a large diameter in a non expanding bullet can be an advantage. otehr than that with modern expanding ammo they are pretty close.

Saw a guy two weeks ago who shot himself in the leg with a .45 230gr FMJ. A small entrance wound with a small exit wound. He missed bone and nerves and was walking on it the next day. The .45 has no magic in it. Shot placement and ammo selection could have made the damage a lot worse.

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No offence to anyone here, but if you want real information look towards DocGKR
http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91

Specifically this thread
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887


Anything over 380, with good ammunition is going to cause about the same amount of damage, its all about shot placement.

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