[spittinfire]

I shot a deer at 75 yards with a 30-06 and it knocked him down. Rolled him over actually and he didn't get back up.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by KalashnikovJosh

Dillinger I'd be pretty stingy with a magazine or a cylinder full of $2 bullets,wouldn't you?

No offense bro, but with thinking like that, I don't want you ANYWHERE near me when the zombies start walking the Earth.

I don't care if I dump $127 of lead into a bad guy. Hell, I don't care if I have to resort to one mag/one kill of the GOOD stuff.

If I go home and he DOESN'T - that is all the justification that I need.

Combat Focus by Rob Pincus. You focus on one target and you shoot it until that threat is eliminated. Period. End of conflict.

JD

[KalashnikovJosh]

No offense taken-I dont carry 2 dollar bullets in my handgun.

Wont have any trouble unloading one of my 20 round HP mags fulla hot CIP spec ball into a zombie.

Originally Posted by spittinfire

I shot a deer at 75 yards with a 30-06 and it knocked him down. Rolled him over actually and he didn't get back up.

Handguns are handguns and rifles are rifles.I've heard stories of German 8mm Mauser knocking men down too.But I've seen footage of the vaunted .45acp being used by a state trooper to deal with what looked like a 125lbs transient druggie who came at him with a knife at a rest stop-the guy still had enough fight in him to keep trying that crap with a bullet from that troopers' .45 in his pelvic region,delivered at point blank range.

Handguns are poor performers when compared to rifles or shotguns.

I guess its good for me that 00 buck shells can be had for around a dollar a shell.

I wouldn't have any problem making someone 5 dollars richer with their own lead deposits if it comes down to it.

(can I be on your team now dillinger?)

[spittinfire]

Originally Posted by KalashnikovJosh

No offense taken-I dont carry 2 dollar bullets in my handgun.



Handguns are handguns and rifles are rifles.I've heard stories of German 8mm Mauser knocking men down too.But I've seen footage of the vaunted .45acp being used by a state trooper to deal with what looked like a 125lbs transient druggie who came at him with a knife at a rest stop-the guy still had enough fight in him to keep trying that crap with a bullet from that troopers' .45 in his pelvic region,delivered at point blank range.

Handguns are poor performers when compared to rifles or shotguns.

I guess its good for me that 00 buck shells can be had for around a dollar a shell.

I wouldn't have any problem making someone 5 dollars richer with their own lead deposits if it comes down to it.

(can I be on your team now dillinger?)

Are you saying my 45 won't knock a man down?!?!?! Kidding bro, I'm on your side. I'm sorry but I get a little tired of this debate because anyone with any sense knows that a pistol is only good for fighting your way back to a long gun. The only reason pistol power is a concern is because people want to carry them places one may not be able to hide a long gun.

[Jpyle]

Bullets don't knock people down...they fall down when they're dead.

[KalashnikovJosh]

Originally Posted by spittinfire

Are you saying my 45 won't knock a man down?!?!?! Kidding bro, I'm on your side.

No,no,no-no 'sides'.LOL.

The whole caliber war thing is crazy.

9x19 aint gonna knock a man down either-but I wonder if 7.62x54r heavy ball from my M44 Mosin-Nagant would?

I just wanted to go in depth to help un-confuse (total non-word there,eh?) the original poster asking about handgun 'stopping power'.

Theres nothing to it really-handguns will work if you hit someone where it counts.They also seem to work better when you hit someone multiple times in a fast succession of shots.

I read somewhere that after the first one or two shots,if the person shot isnt down,they can then take more punishment like it isnt even happening.

So what Dillinger is saying about his preferred method is pretty much correct-hit them hard and fast till they drop.

And no,I'm not advocating trying for the head shot every time,unless they're zombies for real......but I'd say that if you dumped 4 .32,.380,9x18,.38spcl,9x19,.40,.45,10mm or even 4 magnums or whatever into someones upper chest as fast as you could they're not gonna be much of a problem for you any longer.

You shouldn't worry so much about caliber and 'stopping power' as much as you should worry about learning how to use what you've got to its best advantage....if you have faith in your weapon and can use it well,and know for a fact the projectiles will penetrate and do their job as much as you can do your job and put them where they belong,then your good to go.

[DrumJunkie]

When it comes down to it all pistols are an exorcise in compromise. You want full on "stopping power" pack a rifle around. I really think the terms like stopping power come form ammo makers.

[KalashnikovJosh]

I dont do those expensive designer hollowpoints either DJ-I like CIP spec ball,preferably truncated cone.Something about those flat meplats just say 'ouch' to me.



Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics Ammunition 9mm Luger 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket Truncated Cone Box of 50 - MidwayUSA

[DrumJunkie]

The reloads I practice with are much like those. While I don't carry what I reload I could if need be and would not worry much about their performance. I also do not download being I think it's a little silly. I like to practice with similar loads that I'll carry. I feel download ammo just does not hep you when you are thinking on the back of your head that the recoil is going ot be more with SD loads. I've used a few different types of Fiocchi rounds. I really like how they work in tests I've done around here to see how they act on impact.

[utf59]

You want knockdown power?

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