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Old 04-17-2013, 04:00 AM   #11
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I'm curious AleksiR, how hard is it to get 22lr ammo in Europe right now? Really nice looking pistol by the way.
The shelves are full for all calibers from various manufactures. Sorry everybody, but Germany is stocked. Also, Europe also makes ammo, and DHS can not buy all the worlds supply.
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That is so cool looking! Hideous in a way, but gorgeous in another! I want one!!!!! Love the partially fixed slide.

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Old 04-17-2013, 07:11 PM   #13
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Thanks everyone for the kind and encouraging words. I had some free time after work today so I took the CZ to the range and put 170rds of CCI Standard through it. One failure to feed, might've been me rubbing my thumb against the slide but other than that I had absolutely zero problems or malfunctions with the gun. Shot better than I thought I would and had a lot of fun. I still have a lot to learn with pistols, but I think I did ok with a new gun.

Oh and to those wondering about the ammo situation in Europe, all types of ammo available and no change in prices. I think I'll go grab atleast 1000rds of .22 on Saturday

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Old 04-17-2013, 07:44 PM   #14
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I'm curious AleksiR, how hard is it to get 22lr ammo in Europe right now? Really nice looking pistol by the way.
No problem getting ammo in the UK ironically a lot of it made in America.
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What do you need ammo for in the UK according to Piers Morgan "all" guns are banned and you can walk down the street with 100# notes just hanging out ur pockets cause the gun ban illiminated all the criminals!

So I'm puzzled, ;-\

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What do you need ammo for in the UK according to Piers Morgan "all" guns are banned and you can walk down the street with 100# notes just hanging out ur pockets cause the gun ban illiminated all the criminals!

So I'm puzzled, ;-\
You should know better than to listen to Piers Morgan. I had a few shoots with a cz kadet at the range nice pistol. PS I like my browning buckmark.
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CZ is a great company. You will probably buy the shadow, it is a high quality pistol. Do you think Germany or Finland has stricter laws. I am betting Germany.
I would think after WW2 Germany would have tighter gun regulation than Finland. But the Finns are heavily governmentally regulated, i.e., socialist. Then again, they do have the Russians next door and the hunters in Lappland. Great question.
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Finland has the 4th highest firearm ownership per capita. Regs are tight compared to the US, but not as tight as in Germany.

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In Finland doesthe government use any excuse to confiscate weapons or do they just make it a pain to buy them.

In the States New York and Califirnia especially, once the police grab your gun its gone forever. Whether you get convicted or not. I don't know about other states, apparently in Temple TX they have a confiscate policy too.

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But the Finns are heavily governmentally regulated, i.e., socialist.
Unfortunately we have some major socialist elements in our society, but luckily many people don't like 'em and have started voting differently. We've been slowly slipping more and more to the left...

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Finland has the 4th highest firearm ownership per capita. Regs are tight compared to the US, but not as tight as in Germany.
That statistic is actually incorrect. That ranking is from a Swiss study, where they counted also illegal firearms in. The number of the illegal guns they pulled out of a magic hat. I think they said there were something like over a million illegal firearms here In reality the number of firearms per capita in Finland is more in line with Sweden, France and Germany. As for the regulations, you got it right.


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In Finland doesthe government use any excuse to confiscate weapons or do they just make it a pain to buy them.

In the States New York and Califirnia especially, once the police grab your gun its gone forever. Whether you get convicted or not. I don't know about other states, apparently in Temple TX they have a confiscate policy too.
The police can revoke your license(s), but they need to show in court that you are not suitable to own firearms because of your lifestyle (problems with alcohol etc.) and/or mental health. They can't just march in your home and take them.

The permit system we have is need based, so you have to tell in the application what you're going to use the gun for. Accepted uses are e.g. hunting, sport shooting (has to be a sport with national level competitions, so "plinking" won't do) and collecting. Those are the most common "needs" that you can get a gun for, there are others too but they're fairly rare (work use, for bodyguards etc.). Also you have to fill out an application for every gun you want to buy. The very first permit you apply for and the handgun permits are usually a bit trickier to get, but when you know what the law says and the hoops you have to jump through you can get most guns here that you guys have in the US. It's a bit complex system and we have our fair share of simply stupid gun laws but I won't bore you with any more details
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