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Old 04-24-2012, 12:45 AM   #41
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Wait what? Are you sure? The 5.7 shoots about 2400 fps and tears right through body armor. Without looking it may be possible the .22 mag moves at the same speed but I'm sure that's as far as the ballistics comparison can go.
I've shot the FiveSeveN. You can call it a lot of things, but it is NOT a .22 Mag. I'd buy one in a moment. And no, I'd not spend ten dollars on a P90, but the handgun rocks.
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Actually, the 31 grain SS190 FMJ bullet is traveling at 2350 fps and is the only 5.7 round that will penetrate body armor. This is a steel core round, which is not legal to sell in the US, but if you want them they are available for a price. The other 5.7 ammunition is similar in ballistics to the 22 magnum and runs about $23 for a box of 50. My point is if you want to defeat body armor there are plenty of .223 (5.56) green tip rounds available and there velocity is approximately 3200 fps. If you just want a fun pistol to shoot there are a lot of choices well under $1000. A Kel-Tec PMR-30 is a 22 magnum that has a 30 round magazine and can be had in the $500 range, which is an inflated price due to demand. A box of 22 magnum ammunition is $8 for 50 rounds at Wal-Mart. I think the five seven is a cool gun, but I personally would rather spend 1K on a Kimber target model handgun or buy two of something else.

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I can't argue with that at all. I agree it is a cool gun but I also wouldn't be interested in buying one. And as for the statement on the .223 ammo I am well aware of that. If you get my drift.

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How many 11 years do you know of that have body armor? That is the reason the round was created and that spec-tac groups use it.
Im just referencing how in the last couple weeks ive read a couple threads talking about how this round or weapon will tear through body armor or ridiculous claims about how body armor can stop a very large round. Im not saying anything about 11 year olds owning or not owning body armor.
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I used to have the Five-seveN pistol. It was expensive to buy and shoot. The polymer tip and lead free ammo had different points of impact. Reloading was a pain as the brass is coated. It is also large and difficult to conceal. I also hit the oddly placed safety switch when I holstered and drew the pistol. That was not safe and lack of practice ammo led it to be ineffective. I sold it.

It isn't all bad. It is very light for its size. The recoil is minimal but the flash and report are excessive. The mag capacity is very nice. It also may be a nice system when pared with a rifle in the same caliber.

I can't find reports of civilian ammo piercing anything but the lightest body armor. With the steel core ammo, this is a very effective weapon system.

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Im just referencing how in the last couple weeks ive read a couple threads talking about how this round or weapon will tear through body armor or ridiculous claims about how body armor can stop a very large round. Im not saying anything about 11 year olds owning or not owning body armor.
Yes I got what you were saying,and agree with you. I know the "normal" kid doesn't have body armor, just joking on my boy, he's either gonna be a spec op. operator or a sociopath....lmao. j/k, he wants to follow in his "uncles" footsteps. Senior Cheif in seal team 10 , going on 14 years in the teams.
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Im just referencing how in the last couple weeks ive read a couple threads talking about how this round or weapon will tear through body armor or ridiculous claims about how body armor can stop a very large round. Im not saying anything about 11 year olds owning or not owning body armor.
Yes I got what you were saying,and agree with you. I know the "normal" kid doesn't have body armor, just joking on my boy, he's either gonna be a spec op. operator or a sociopath....lmao. j/k, he wants to follow in his "uncles" footsteps. Senior Cheif in seal team 10 , going on 14 years in the teams.
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Yes I got what you were saying,and agree with you. I know the "normal" kid doesn't have body armor, just joking on my boy, he's either gonna be a spec op. operator or a sociopath....lmao. j/k, he wants to follow in his "uncles" footsteps. Senior Cheif in seal team 10 , going on 14 years in the teams.
Thats great, i hope he follows his dreams and becomes the best SEAL there ever was.
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Thats great, i hope he follows his dreams and becomes the best SEAL there ever was.
Thanks man.
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Somewhere around 2400 fps
Can this round make 2400 fps out of the short barrel of a pistol? Or is the 2400 fps the normal rating in a rifle? Just want to get a reality check here, that's more than double what most pistols can get to.
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