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Old 12-23-2011, 03:37 PM   #11
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Just from a past experience, about four years ago at a private range
we were peppering a 1971 Chevy Caprice, ex-cop car, with 9mm, 45
and 38special. All we accomplished was putting holes and dents in the
outter skin. A fellow shooter showed up with a CZ52 loaded with the
7.62x25. Wow! Six of the seven shots entered the passenger door and
passed thru the drivers door and still kicked up dirt 20 yards on the exit
side. Now that seems like a rifle round in a handgun to me.

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Yeah, researched the round.

Average 90 grain bullet with 5.7+ grains (generally more than a .45 ACP)

of powder pushing it?

That's less than half the bullet weight of the average .45,

actually also less weight than the 115 grain 9mm bullet.

Has armor penetration capabilities? Really?

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It's very hard to give praise to the .327 Federal Magnum as a self defense round while downplaying the 7.62x25mm in the same capacity. The same goes for the .30 Carbine or a hot-load .32-20. It's really only a difference in the weapons used.

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Has armor penetration capabilities? Really?
Yep.

Really.

Go back over the OP.

There are a couple "backyard" style tests and one scientifically repeatable test that show this to be the case.

As for the whole "stopping power" and self defense thing,I'm one of those that figures a .22 short to the vitals is better then a .44 magnum that misses said vitals.
I like energy because it determines penetration,and penetration is what you need to hit deep vitals.
I do not believe that significant injury or damage is done by handgun bullets via any kind of kinetic energy transfer,temporary cavity,etc.
To my way of thinking,the mass of a 200+ grain handgun bullet vs a 100- grain handgun bullet doesn't really count for much when your shooting 200+lbs animals.
As long as the mass/energy combination -whatever it is- gives good penetration,then its a good load/caliber IMHO.

You want to reach those vitals and hurt 'em.

When it comes to handgun terminal ballistics- what you hit is what you get,IM ever so HO.

I wasn't trying to start a caliber war here,so my ever so humble opinion is just that- an opinion.

Take it or leave it at your leisure and by your choice.
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Yo Josh,

Google sarcasm...

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I detected far more superciliousness then sarcasm in your first post,but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,because its pretty hard to detect lexicon from a computer screen.

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Yeah, researched the round.

Average 90 grain bullet with 5.7+ grains (generally more than a .45 ACP)

of powder pushing it?

That's less than half the bullet weight of the average .45,

actually also less weight than the 115 grain 9mm bullet.

Has armor penetration capabilities? Really?
The 7.62x25 is designed to penatrate. They have made swiss cheese out of UN blue helmets in the past
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http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?83361-Proven-the-7-62x25-Tokarev-Kevlar-Penetration-Issue

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Anybody shot the PPSh-41?

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