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Old 02-07-2013, 06:38 PM   #21
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With the exception of the 357 mag 5.7 fn 7.62 tokarev 357sig 10mm (40sw is not even remotely close to 10mm) most handguns dont really get going fast enough for shock effect to play a real role in sd.

So it boils down to what makes a bigger hole under worst case conditions and how well do you shoot with it under life or death stress.

The thing that stops the goblin from beating your brains in/raping you/shooting you etc is either a center mass hit right in the blood pump or a big hole from which to leak.

Hollow points are great when they work. I dont put faith in them working at the slow speeds you get in normal pistol rounds.

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You didn't watch the video. Until you do you have no basis to understand my thought process. If science over opinion does not sway your opinion then there is no hope for changing your mind. Or expecting you to understand my point of view. In which no point in discussing this.

Under penetration is the problem with most handgun rounds.
I'm just asking questions man. I haven't the patience or desire to waste 30 minutes of my life on this, especially not when I'm hungover.

It still wouldn't change my mind I'd guess. I imagine it says something about people living through shots from most standard bullets and simply gets into specifics about why they don't kill. But I'm not looking to kill, I could care less if a BG lives as looms as they cease the attack. I'm confident any bullet properly placed will achieve that.
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With the exception of the 357 mag 5.7 fn 7.62 tokarev 357sig 10mm (40sw is not even remotely close to 10mm) most handguns dont really get going fast enough for shock effect to play a real role in sd.
Interesting statement Jon.
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I used to think as most of you do. Now I look for velocity over all else. The reason for that is the video at the end of this post. It's 30 minutes long and full of facts from a trauma surgeon who had seen first hand the lack of killing potential of almost every caliber of handguns. Opened my eyes.
I am currently seeking to switch all of my carry ammo to the new halo point round because of the rifle-like velocity. Initially made me want to switch to the FN 5.7 but with the ability to get those velocities from my standard handgun, the halo point ammo will work. Yes it is long and technical but, if it doesn't at least make you think about why the military only sees pistols as a backup weapon I will be disappointed. 30 minutes that will explain my point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I watched this some time ago. This is a good video if you are a first responder, medical type, but it VERY little realistic terminal ballistic info.
But you are correct about the velocity aspect. Just about any round which does not have a MV of 1000+ is substandard when it comes to 'stopping the fight'!!!
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9mm +P and +P+ is in the velocity range with reasonable bullet weights.

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9mm +P and +P+ is in the velocity range with reasonable bullet weights.
Huh? What range, deadly?
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Huh? What range, deadly?
I believe the reference to 'range' is the 1000 fps 'range'.
And yes the 9mm is the most efficient short barrel round in the world.
With the +p+ or even the +p the terminal ballistics of the 9 mm is in the 357 Mag arena!
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First of all I base the decision on the time of the year. Am I wearing outer garments that will conceal the weapon I am carrying. It does you no good to leave it in the glove box of your car or truck! So to explain in more detail. Not that it is my favorite round nor the best ballistics. But I carry a Khar P-380 in the heat of the summer when wearing light clothing. The ammunition of choice is due to ballistics tests and technical information from the manufacturer and my shooting of the rounds. So in it, I carry the Hornady Critical Defense 90 Grain Rounds. When fall comes I use the same criteria regarding the ammunition and carry two additional weapons. A Glock Model 27, 40 S&W Cal. with 165 gr. Hornady Critical Defense ammunition or 165 gr. Federal Hydra Shock.
Followed by in cooler or cold weather a Colt Commander 1911, 45 ACP with 185 Gr. Hornady Critical Defense or Speer Gold Dot in 200 Gr. As I stated the ammunition I carry depends on the time of the year as well as technical information and tests done on the round selected.
In closing! No matter what weapon or caliber you carry it is best to have it with you when you need it. God forbid I would need to use it in the future, but in the case of the smaller less powerful 380 Cal. they will recieve at least 3 or 4 shots. In the case of the 45 Cal. 2-3 before I assess the threat! And remember when you are practicing *YOU WILL "DO AS YOU TRAIN"! 2-4 Center Mass and One to the Head if the threat does not subside.

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In the summer, I often carry a little Beretta 950 in .25 ACP, loaded with 30gr XTP. Especially if out walking in gym shorts. Also use a walking stick that looks a lot like one of Robin Hood's cudgels.

If dressed in long pants, a S&W airweight loaded with the "METRO" load--158 LSWCHP +P.

Cooler weather, SIG P226 loaded with Winchester Ranger "T" 127 gr +P+.

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Ballistic numbers are interesting to debate, but I do not use them as a means to determine what caliber I carry. My standard is much simpler. What's the biggest caliber that I know I will carry every day. For me, that's a 9mm.

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