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Originally Posted by potentialglock
2.5 lbs??? U realize that's a flinch in my trigger finger?? Most DA pistols have five to six pound trigger pull
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Note: that was +2.5 lbs. My 1911s are set at 4.0lbs -- my trigger gauge shows my box stock Glock as 6.5lbs even though they are marked as 5.5lbs models. I definitely prefer the 1911 trigger and safety mechanism to that of the Glock (sproing!...that is what comes to mind when I think about Glock triggers). On the other hand, the Glocks are really durable. When they first came out, I used to toss mine in my swimming pool and let it sit there for half the night before diving in to retrieve it -- it was a good way to prove the benefits of Tenifer to nay-sayers at the time as that was still in the day when most didn't know what in the Hell a Glock was...lol - times have changed.
Speaking of which, a friend recently attended a Glock Armor course and he advised that Tenifer is being phased out. I haven't bothered to look that up yet as I haven't been in the market for a new Glock.
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Originally Posted by SSGN_Doc
I once read of someone who preferred to carry a 1911 with a round in the chamber and the hammer on half cock. I'm not sure how they came to a conclusion that routinely chambering a round and lowering the hammer to the half cock position was a good idea. But they had reached that conclusion until they had the hammer slip from under their thumb.
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Carrying a 1911 like that is just dangerous. They were designed to be carried cocked and locked - I have carried one cocked and locked for 25+ years and I've never had an AD with one.
I have seen a few ADs with Glocks - most recently an undercover officer who was carrying it in a fairly decent holster and upon inserting the Glock into the holster got a bit of material from his shirt caught between the gun and the holster which apparently snagged the trigger and "bang" -- amazingly enough, he wasn't injured.
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Originally Posted by JimRau
If you want to deny reality so be it ( you are the prime example of the indoctrination I referred to). Just 50+ years of experience here, and you??? But there are three LEO's whom I know personally who shot themselves with Glocks while carrying off duty w/o a proper holster.  |
Actually JimRau - I semi-misread your post the first time around - that's what I get for reading forums on a stinkin' iPhone at the end of a very long day. As such, I slightly misinterpreted your comparison of the Glock trigger to the cocked and unlocked 1911 trigger - however, I still do not entirely agree with it. A well tuned 1911 takes very little movement for the hammer to drop and the pull weight is significantly less than any Glock trigger I have tried including the ones that claim to be 3.5lbs - to me, they feel like a 4.5-4.75lbs 1911 trigger at best. The take up also makes quite a bit of difference -- my Glock 21 has about 5mm of slack before I hit the increased tension point where I know the striker will go if I move just a bit further back. On my 1911s, it is considerably less take up - not even half as much even on my series 80 (custom trigger, slightly advanced timing) and even less on my 70 series 1911s. All of my 1911s have triggers that break like the proverbial glass rod or something extremely close to it -- there is nothing of that nature in the world of box-stock Glock triggers or even tuned Glock triggers. That is likely why when you see reviews of the best Glock aftermarket triggers or trigger jobs they always have to try to draw some comparison as to how it feels relative to a custom 1911 trigger...usually that comparison results in the heavy use of the word "almost"...which is a euphemism for "not as good as a damn 1911 trigger"
On the other hand, I understand what you are trying to get at - carrying a Glock with a round in chamber with no holster is a dangerous idea. If you do not use the right holster or if you are careless with a Glock you can run into trouble quickly as there are no affirmative safeties. While much of that can be resolved with proper training, it still allows for the possibility of bizarre accidents (like getting your shirt caught in between the holster and Glock). Putting a lever on the trigger and calling it a safety doesn't count in my book. Especially if you compare it to the safety mechanisms on a 1911 - the thumb safety alone makes a 1911 inherently more safe than a Glock as even if the 1911 is carried cocked and locked, the firing mechanism is completely locked up by a block of steel...even more so if you consider the grip safety and yet again if you are talking about a series 80.
Lastly, I know several people who can claim "50 years experience" with firearms as though it means they know what they are doing. That is a logical fallacy and proves nothing. For example, one of the gentlemen I know who has over 50 years experience with firearms has the longest history of accidental discharges on the planet -- if he gets a few more under his belt, I am turning him into Guinness as it will be completely worthy of a world record. Another who could make the same claim is much more cautious and is actually a fairly decent shooter but he has zero knowledge of how to properly clean and maintain his toys. Neither can claim to know how barrel twist effects bullet selection, how to properly modify sear geometry and hammer hooks, how detail strip over 100 weapons, how to account for Coriolis effect (or temperature, humidity, wind drift and actual horizontal distance) on shots over 1,500m or that they ever managed a sub-one second draw and double tap on 2 targets at 15m with nothing but a-zone hits with a 1911...I may have packed a little more in my measly 35+ years of shooting and modding than most. Coming soon: 2,500m extreme long distance rifles...I can hardly wait for this one.
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