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winds-of-change 05-10-2011 09:24 PM

Help me think this through..........
 
When I go to the range, I like to shoot with my target as far out as it will go. When I shot with Hunter Joe, he set the targets at 7 yards. I've heard others say you want to shoot at a distance most common for self defense. Now, you all know I'm still learning so my logic might be wrong but it seems to me if I can hit a target at 25 yards or 50 yards I'm probably going to be able to hit a target at 7 yards. Why do I need to practice with a target so close. I like the challenge of trying to shoot well with my target way out there.

Please educate me. Thank you.

Gojubrian 05-10-2011 09:30 PM

You can do both! For self defense practice I shoot 5-10 yrds. sometimes I shoot up to 25yards, just depends on what I'm doing. Practicing for a defensive shoot or just punching holes.
Practicing for a defensive shoot would/could include drawing, reloading, failure dills,etc...

winds-of-change 05-10-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gojubrian (Post 502052)
You can do both! For self defense practice I shoot 5-10 yrds. sometimes I shoot up to 25yards, just depends on what I'm doing. Practicing for a defensive shoot or just punching holes.
Practicing for a defensive shoot would/could include drawing, reloading, failure dills,etc...

Well, I guess I'm just punching holes. But by punching holes I hope to become accurate and able to defend myself should the situation ever arise.

orangello 05-10-2011 09:38 PM

Maybe you could find a place with a pop-up target at close range; i think this would explain the need to be able to rapidly ventilate unwelcome persons or objects at closer range. When something/somebody appears from behind cover, in your IMMEDIATE vicinity, your natural instincts may not lend themselves to a steady aimed shot; you might naturally try to step back or block them with your hand rather than lining up dots on their chest.

Think about the peanut cans with the spring snakes in them.

lonyaeger 05-10-2011 09:46 PM

If someone 25 yards away from you runs full-sprint with a pissed off wanna kill you attitude.....when he gets 7 yards away, do you think your hands would be shaking at all?

At 25 yards, is someone a threat? Good luck with the jury on that one.

At 25 yards, how long do you take to line up the shot, breathe, and pull the trigger? Would you have that much time in a self-defense situation?

Just playin' the devil's advocate, my friend! :)

orangello 05-10-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lonyaeger (Post 502061)
At 25 yards, is someone a threat? Good luck with the jury on that one.:)

At least she uses a revolver; no ejected brass to give away her firing position to an investigator. ;)


WOC, maybe you could get one of those cardboard cutouts of Obama & rig it to pop-up with a weighted line or something; that would startle the beejezus out of me. "BOO I'm taxing you!"

lonyaeger 05-10-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by orangello (Post 502062)
At least she uses a revolver; no ejected brass to give away her firing position to an investigator. ;)


WOC, maybe you could get one of those cardboard cutouts of Obama & rig it to pop-up with a weighted line or something; that would startle the beejezus out of me. "BOO I'm taxing you!"

Point.....

stalkingbear 05-10-2011 10:17 PM

When you're shooting at longer range you're taking your time and trying for the smallest groups possible. When defensive shooting, pinpoint accuracy is not needed-you just have to hit the kill zone, QUICKLY! The whole idea in defensive shooting is to get rounds on target fast. You're already behind the curve by the time you recognize the need to draw your weapon. That means they already have a weapon out & threatening you with it and you have to draw & shoot them before they shoot/stab you. That's why practicing defensive shooting is at close range.

USMC-03 05-10-2011 10:33 PM

Because you won't be taking well aimed steady shots in a defensive encounter. You need to get your gun out and put rounds into the vital area quickly as possible. You do this at the close ranges you expect to use your gun at to see how accurate you are in that situation and what you need to work on. Only way to get good at clearing your gun from the holster and putting rapid shots into the vital area is to practice it. Also, shooting on the move is EXTREMELY important. In a SHTF self defense encounter neither you or the bad guy is going to stand still. Shooting slow fire at longer distances is a blast...but in my opinion it doesn't prepare you for defending yourself.

winds-of-change 05-10-2011 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lonyaeger (Post 502061)
If someone 25 yards away from you runs full-sprint with a pissed off wanna kill you attitude.....when he gets 7 yards away, do you think your hands would be shaking at all?

At 25 yards, is someone a threat? Good luck with the jury on that one.

At 25 yards, how long do you take to line up the shot, breathe, and pull the trigger? Would you have that much time in a self-defense situation?

Just playin' the devil's advocate, my friend! :)

Points well taken, everyone.

Lon, you're right. When I shoot, I do take a while to line up my shot. All these points is what I needed to hear. I knew there was something I was missing and I didn't know what it was. It seems that time to react would be the biggest factor I was missing.

There is no drawing from a holster for me. I live in Illinois so no Conceal Carry and even if I could, I don't think I'm mentally and emotionally ready for that yet. I still have way too much to learn.

'Gello, I love the idea of a pop up Obama.......BOO I'm taxing you. :D

So I should probably practice for close range and quickness, right?


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