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Old 09-05-2011, 04:42 PM   #11
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Browning high power would be a nice addition. If you wanted to step outside of you caliber restraint a wheel gun like a S&W Model 65-2 in .357 mag. or a Model 60 or similar in .38 spl.

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Old 09-06-2011, 12:09 AM   #13
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Hey guys, I'm pretty hard against getting a new caliber. Between all my guns, I have 22LR, 223, 9mm, 380, 357, 300 WM, 12 gauge and 45 AUTO. Each one is a stockpile taking up more space. I was considering an AK-47 perhaps someday, but a new caliber requirement will probably keep me away.

I'm doing lots of research 22LR target pistols to see which one I want to get. All my thinking today has me considering a new direction though. I just read an article about the Miami shootout in 1986 and more so than before I'm believing that 9mm or less is too underpowered. I could use a target pistol yes, but what I'm liking now is to look into a high capacity 45 Auto that is also double action. This takes me away from focusing only on the 1911.

I've been reading up today on some of the options out there; Springfield XD, M&P or Px4 Storm all in 45 with 10 or more capacity and double action. So, what are some others out there that you would recommend?

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Get the GSG 1911- If you want an affordable defensive pistol "trainer"
Get a Buckmark/Ruger MK3- If you want a true target rimfire pistol

As to the whole competent caliber/Miami shootout thing...most handgun calibers have their limitations, especially as you've already limited the options available. 9mm is a bit small, 45acp is pretty slow, and 357mag has limited capacity. The most viable options if you want a heartier full-framed pistol are:

1) Full size 357mag- Ruger GP100, S&W 686, etc

2) Higher capacity poly 45acp- I have an XDm45, but will you really like this more than your 1911?

3) Buy more lethal ammo- The 165gr 45acp CorBon Pow'r'ball alleviates a lot of the velocity issues (~1200fps) while retaining bullet diameter. And a stronger 9mm like Winchester's 127gr +p+ Ranger (~1250fps), will give you performace that approaches 357sig...and your Berettas should handle it quite well. It's my go-to round for full-framed 9mm carry.

4) Add a caliber- I know you don't want to. But you could bite the bullet and pick something like an XDm or M&P in 40sw. I'm not a huge fan of 40sw, but it does sort of offer a direct answer to your capacity + firepower issue...and it's pretty well become "the standard" LE round, so it's everywhere. You could even class it up with a Sig P226 or feed your Beretta habit with a model 96.

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3) Buy more lethal ammo-
That's true. I've already got Golden Sabre Ammo in 380 and 9mm calibers. It's probably much more lethal than the 9mm in the Miami Shootout Article. The badguy took a 9mm center chest and still kept going in the shootout and killed two cops.
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Well, I was at Bass Pro Shop yesterday and made a purchase.

They were running a "free holster" deal that expires this month and is only good for "retail" purchase, so if I wanted it the gunshow wouldn't count. The $50 value free holster made me bite. Also, the price was good and even with what I'd already researched online.

$579 for a full size Beretta Px4 Storm 45 Auto plus free holster.

What made me fall in love with this one so fast is it was a leading contender to replace the M9 in the Joint Combat Pistol program that ended up being cancelled a few years ago.

I hate to ruffle the feathers of all the 1911 lovers out there, but with the existence of 45 Autos like this, I don't see the 1911 ever coming back as the standard military pistol. I definately like the 1911 and give it proper respect too, but I can't declare it superior to all other 45 Autos like some people do.

Px4 Storm is improved in a few things:
1) Lighter compared to a 1911
2) More capacity (10+1) compared to a 1911
3) Picatinny Rail
4) Double and Single Action
5) State of the art for easy field cleaning design (pin stays attached and can't be lost, no-brainer easy re-assembly)
6) State of the art recoil reduction design

I'd have to say this would be an upgrade from the M9 if the military would do it.

As for the question of this thread, I shall still likely get a 22LR pistol "next" probably next month. That'll come around quick. I have the Virginia law of 1 handgun every 30 days to wait for now.

I'll do the pictures and review of the new Beretta Px4 Storm 45 Auto when I get a chance.

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Gotta have a .22 pistol!
I'll play a little devil's advocate on that, even though this will likely be my next handgun purchase. Not to be contentious on people's suggestions, but just to really think it over.
I can think of three main good reasons for a 22 pistol; volume shooting because of cost, training for new shooter or target competition.

1) Regarding volume shooting, if I had some private property where I could shoot at anything and set up a variety of targets, then for volume fun the 22 would be a must! ...but, for just shooting at paper, meh. For my shooting range options I have around here, it's just shooting at paper. None of the ranges I go to let you shoot at anything but paper. I don't see shooting a 22 being more "fun" than any of my other calibers if I'm just shooting at paper. So, my volume of shooting is limited because after shooting my other guns at paper, how much more stationary paper do I want to shoot at?
2) Another real reason for a 22 pistol is training perhaps for a new shooter, but that's not me.
3) Lastly, I'm not into completion target shooting either (yet).

So, my needs don't really fit any of the reasons for a 22 pistol. That's why I've lived without a 22 pistol for over 20 years of gun ownership. If I'm going to the range to shoot at paper, I'd rather do it with my bigger calibers for proficiency. The 22 would NEVER be a carry option gun for offense or defense, so it does nothing for me to ever practice on it. That's why it's never percolated up enough to get bought before. All my other calibers are potential carry and I need to keep proficient.

Only now that I have pretty well rounded out collection of handguns, the 22 finally appears to make it to the top as a missing hole. I am still questioning "why" though. I think I could get distracted again by something else next time I'm ready to buy. The 22 pistol seems so underwhelming that I can't get excited about it or find a good enough reason to get it yet other than it's something that most people have so it just "seems" like a hole in my collection.

I have enough guns for various purposes like conceal carry or bigger calibers for TEOTWAWKI, and I also already have a 1911 for the 100 year anniversary. Do I need any more handguns? Nope, I think I have most scenarios covered. The Ruger SR1911 is something I'd be excited about getting next. The main reason I guess would just be to "collect" because it's like art. I also stated earlier in this thread that accumulating guns is like owning a commodity that will hold its value no matter what inflation or the economy does. Before I get excited about the 22 pistol, maybe I need access to an open range where I can set up watermelons and waterbottles before I can really get excited about the 22 pistol and have an all out 200 round blast. Maybe I'll just get it now in anticipation to be ready to do that someday.
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I've got a few things to add. Number one is that I have a CZ-75 SP01, and it is by far my favorite pistol to shoot, and in my opinion is a better pistol than the Beretta M9/92 for a few reasons, size and the location of the safety being the two main ones. You really should give it a try.

Number two is that while I've never shot one, I've heard that the PX4s are awesome handguns. A coworker of mine has one and loves it. I'm just kind of leery of the whole rotating barrel thing, and once again that pesky slide mounted safety.

And lastly, in response to the whole Miami shootout thing, people put way too much faith in the FBI agents ability to shoot. Second, that was like 30 years ago and bullet technology has improved greatly since then. I carry a 9mm daily and am plenty confident in it's ability to stop a threat.

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...45 Auto that is also double action. This takes me away from focusing only on the 1911.
Not necessarily, have you looked at the new DA Colts?



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people put way too much faith in the FBI agents ability to shoot. Second, that was like 30 years ago and bullet technology has improved greatly since then. I carry a 9mm daily and am plenty confident in it's ability to stop a threat.
The FBI agents were outdone especially since they had them outnumbered 4 to 1. However, they did get the 9mm shot straight in the chest! It was the shortcoming of the 9mm caliber that was the problem then. I agree the expanding bullets do more "damage" now-a-days, but I still think 9mm lacks the instant shockwave/concussion that 45 or 357 will do to instantly disable or kill. Even the more "lethal" 9mm ammo today falls short of those.

Additionally, the shootout showed that having to reload a 357 revolver in the middle of a gunfight was not good either. That drove me to the conclussion of 45 auto being the best choice for my newest gun.

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have you looked at the new DA Colts?
I hadn't heard of double action 1911s before. I'll look into it.
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