Originally Posted by matt g
G21.45, you do understand that using a firearm results in the taking of human life, don't you? You do understand that there is a strong chance that there will be legal and moral issues that you will have to deal with for the rest of your life that stem from the shooting don't you?
Why not avoid that whole **** storm in the first place and get out before you've put yourself and others in a bad place? You mention common sense, but are trying to skirt common sense by trying to be Rambo.
A legally justifiable shooting in most states is only one that protects the life, limb or eyesight of yourself or another from an immediate threat. This is also what constitutes a morally justifiable shooting.
If this happens, then yes, I'll draw, asses the situation and shoot to eliminate a threat. However, there is no reason to run around looking for problems and whipping your piece out every chance you get. That job is for law enforcement.
If this is the mindset of "sheep", then I'm evidently one of the sheep. I've made it through 33 years of life without having taken human life or feeling the need to.
Matt, you amaze me! That is an interesting little rant. I don’t know what it proves; but, it does say a lot about you! So let me ask: Exactly what is your problem? Are you jealous; are you egocentric, or just full of internet bravado, and an excessively competitive ego?
I’m serious – What is with you?
You’re talking to a man who is twice your age and never been in trouble with the law for anything, other than an occasional traffic ticket, in his entire life. You’re talking to someone who has often discussed tactics and self-defense with government and local law enforcement experts. You’re talking to someone who has posted more than 13,000 posts on internet firearms and self-defense forums and – until you came along – never once been accused of being bloodthirsty, reminded of my legal responsibilities, or had my personal scruples challenged.
So, again, what is it with you?
Take a good hard second look at what I’ve written. Since you seem to object so strongly to something I’ve said, go ahead and state your case: Tell me and everyone else on this board exactly what is it, and where I have either violated the law, encouraged anyone to break it, or compromised any of the traditional Judeo-Christian ethics upon which this nation was founded – Go ahead, if you can honestly do so, I’m waiting to hear your reply.
Don’t misuse your position as a moderator to throw wild ill-founded accusations around; instead be specific! You seem to have completely missed the point that my comments and pictures have been aimed more at the wrong self-defense attitude and the wrong self-defense behavior than even coming close to ignoring the law or stepping on Christian morality as you have so foolishly implied.
Frankly, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. You, literally, ‘jumped the gun’ with me on these subjects! Let’s get something straight between us: So far, I am the only one who has posted anything about legal and moral questions arising from the use of a gun! NOT you, Matt – Me! Even now you are merely referencing the subject while I HAVE ACTUALLY POSTED ON THIS TOPIC!
Do the both of us - and everyone else on the forum - a favor and stop making silly ass self-righteous assumptions about a topic on which you, obviously, know next to nothing. Get it straight: NOTHING I HAVE SAID HAS, IN ANY WAY, ENCOURAGED EITHER IMMORAL OR ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR – NOTHING! If you honestly believe that I have then all I can say is that you have misconstrued my remarks and advice.
In my considered opinion you need to take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror, pal. If this is how you intend to moderate a firearms forum then I got ‘a tell you, you stink! You’re only half my age; and, you’ve already admitted to extreme drug abuse. (Your own words – NOT mine!) I’ve never done anything like that in my entire life; as a matter of fact, I don’t even drink.
You’ve, also, described yourself as a, ‘trained government killer’. Again, your words - Not mine! Here’s the exact quote: ‘I just need a chill pill every once in a while. I cooked my brain with LSD when I was a kid, then as I was coming down from that ride, I let Uncle Sugar program me as an ultra efficient killer. In retrospect, I probably should have waited a year or two between one and the other, but hindsight is always 20/20.’
Come on, Matt! I’ve lived next door to, socialized, worked, and trained with real live, ‘trained government killers’. I’m more than confident in the personal suspicion that this is something you positively are NOT! Nothing I’ve read from you, so far, shows any of the necessary: self-discipline, maturity, life experience, nor the technical expertise needed to defend this country from, either, foreign or domestic social miscreants. Everything you post remains at or below the level of pure, ‘keyboard commando’ nonsense.
(Which, now that I think about it, is probably why you seem to insist upon taking cheap shots at me. You're jealous, aren't you!)
Look, let’s get it straight: I’ve been replying to the statements and questions of an individual whose personal safety habits border on being atrocious! He sleeps in highway rest areas; he parks in blind holes; he’s been, ‘sucker punched’ twice in parking lots; and, incredibly, he somehow managed to place his own wife in position between himself and a felon with a drawn AND aimed gun! THIS is the man I’ve been trying to help – NOT play at, ‘keyboard commando’ with, but, actually trying to help.
As far as the sheep pictures go? Well, sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words. Definitely worth more than that incredibly STUPID remark you made; (And, again, I quote) ‘If you lived to tell about it, you should never have pulled the trigger.’
Wow, as any competent self-defense instructor could (and should) tell you: That is an exceedingly inept and naïve remark on your part!
By posting crappy advice like that you are actually encouraging this fellow to continue his personally and publicly dangerous self-defense behaviors and (Ready?) actually increasing the likelihood that he will, again, find himself in a position where he has to resort to pulling a gun because he, still, hasn’t grasped how to reduce and avoid opportunities of this nature.
If you really were a, ‘trained government killer’ you’d know that soldiers don't deliberately place themselves in harm's way by taking senseless and ill-advised risks the way this fellow has been doing. Most of what I’ve had to say in this (and several other threads) has been aimed at gently chiding this individual toward recognition of the fact that in order to avoid danger (or a gunfight) the first thing you have to change is YOUR ATTITUDE. Heck, if you’d taken the time to actually read my original posts you should have been able to grasp that this is what I’ve really been talking about!
Right now you owe me an apology! You need to come down off that, ‘high horse’, Matt. I’m genuinely sorry that you misspent your youth abusing drugs; but, you have no right to make gross assumptions, and post crap, or jump to erroneous conclusions about another board member whose training and life experience you, but, poorly understand and are irrationally jealous of.
(I already know what you're going to say, here; and I will remind you that it's best for everyone if you are honest with, both, yourself and others!)
If you’re going to continue as a moderator then you genuinely need to be more reflective and to wait until someone actually does say something that is clearly illegal or genuinely incorrect BEFORE you pounce on him. Trust me on this: Petty rivalries and sanctimonious rhetoric will only come back upon your own head! I would further suggest to you that until you really do know what you’re supposed to be talking about you should post less and not more.
I'm, also, willing to consider that I may be spending time in, 'the wrong ballpark'. If you'd rather that I didn't post on this forum all you have to do is say so. When I was a boy my mother used to say to me; 'Son, lions don't run with rabbits!' Well, I know I'm not a sheep; and, I sure ain’t no rabbit. If you or your peers think I'm keeping the wrong company around here all you have to do is let me know.
Everything you’ve implied about me is pure crap! In 5 years and almost 9,000 posts on Glock Talk – with many of them written into the: Tactics, Concealed Carry, Cop Talk, and Religious Issues forums, nobody has ever accused me of being bloodthirsty or disrespectful of the law – NOBODY! For that I had to come over here to this little jerkwater gun forum and become involved with a half-assed site moderator who clearly isn’t up to the job he’s supposed to be doing.
Like I said: You owe me an apology. You, also, need to learn a whole lot more about
: self-defense, weapons, tactics, and the necessary applied psychology.
Very truly yours,