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aussierogue 08-04-2007 02:54 PM

Glock or Springfield
 
Ok Guys and girls here it goes i may be starting a job soon where they give you a interest free loan to buy either a Glock or Springfield XP. I've shoot a Glock and like it but have heard that the Springfield is a nice weapon so i would appreciate all the help you can give

Thanks in Advance

Aussie Rogue

Spartan 08-09-2007 02:54 PM

Springfield
 
get the springfield, i would rec an XD9 or an XD40, the 4 inch service is nice but so is the compact 3 inch. if you havent shot it yet go somewhere that lets you test fire. great weapons. the glock makes a good paperweight.

glkguy 09-05-2007 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartan (Post 6082)
the glock makes a good paperweight.

Never heard that before:D .My paperweights are extremly accurate an have never had a problem.

reklaw 09-05-2007 01:54 AM

xd 9
 
i shot the glock,but i bought the xd-9 4in.15+.

Quasi 09-05-2007 01:58 AM

I have nothing helpful to add, but I've been wondering the same thing. I've shot neither, but would like to pick up one or the other for a CCW class.

billt 09-14-2007 04:32 PM

I posted this on another thread in the Glock forum, and it didn't post. I then saw the quote I used in the post was from a "banned" member. Perhaps that is why it didn't post. Anyway, I originally posted this as a reply to an XD review and the subsequent replies of 'OMG! the XD is sooooo much better than the Glock rofl' I couldn't take it and had to put some things out there.

One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.

A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better:

Price. The Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life. I just put $80.00 worth of gas in my truck this morning.

Machining quality/manufacture. At the indoor range I shoot at they have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.

Durability. Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range they are constantly having problems with their XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before they cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.

Ergonomics. XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.

Single action vs double action. The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.

The slide lock. The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.

Finish. People, Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself acheives a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.

Warranty. Good thing Sprinfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.

Field stripping. The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.

Loaded chamber indicator. Glock has this as well.

Cocked indicator. Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.

Grip safety. How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.

Customization. If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.

I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact.

Bill T.

aussierogue 09-14-2007 04:51 PM

Thanks for the info Mate it's given me a lot more to think about

John

Gearguy10 09-18-2007 02:44 AM

The arguement for the Glock is compelling, but I can say from experience that I bought a brand new Glock 22 a few years ago and was never satisfied with the accuracy. I thought it was just me until I sold it to a friend and he came back and said he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. He sold it. I went to a gun show a tried out an XD40 and loved it from the first moment I shot it on the range. It may have just been that particular Glock, but I sure like my XD. Just my opinion.

ninemmar15 10-01-2007 10:34 AM

Reasons why I hate the springfield XD series.

1. The thickness of the frame and slide makes it hard and uncomfortable to conceal.

2. When the gun is chambered, the firing pin is always in a cocked position indicated by the pin sticking out the back of the slide. Even though they have 3 independant safetys, I still don't like my gun cocked. Unlike Glock, even if the gun was chambered you still have to pull the trigger to cock the gun.

3. I can't seem to get a Springfield XD to do this!

Bidah 10-01-2007 08:26 PM

Just pick one, and then shoot the heck out of it. If you can try both before you buy, great. Then get the one that makes you smile. Then go buy a bunch of ammo and shoot the heck out of it. Enjoy.

-Bidah


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