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Old 03-28-2010, 03:19 AM   #21
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If you even consider a Glock, try a Sigma much better ergonomics. Easy on the Elsie Arrr.
goodness... the sigma was one of the worst poly designs ever made. you mean the M&P? a lot of people prefer the M&P ergos to glock, and the M&Ps seem to be glock's equal in reliability and shootability, so far.

BUT the M&Ps still aren't nearly as proliferate, nor do they have the vast glock selection. there's no glock 26 equivalent.
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I would say think about a Ruger Elsie Arrr. The wife has one and loves it. Just sit back and watch how many Recommendations this fine little Revolver.


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Great trigger pull!
He said "revolvers are out," guys!
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goodness... the sigma was one of the worst poly designs ever made. you mean the M&P? a lot of people prefer the M&P ergos to glock, and the M&Ps seem to be glock's equal in reliability and shootability, so far.

BUT the M&Ps still aren't nearly as proliferate, nor do they have the vast glock selection. there's no glock 26 equivalent.
Springfield XD's are twice as good as glocks.
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Springfield XD's are twice as good as glocks.
blasphemy! you'll smoke a turd in hell for that!

but seriously... care to qualify that statement?
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ive noticed alot of similarities between the glock and xd designs

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blasphemy! you'll smoke a turd in hell for that!

but seriously... care to qualify that statement?
I've shot several of both and the XD's are better all around.

Grip safety, better triggers, better sights, designed for a human hand instead of a broken hoof from a fat pig like a gl*ck.

You are not going to win this fight on this forum friend.
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I am loking for something VERY reliable and easily concealable (eventually).
With this he should not rule out Revolver!
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I've shot several of both and the XD's are better all around.

Grip safety, better triggers, better sights, designed for a human hand instead of a broken hoof from a fat pig like a gl*ck.

You are not going to win this fight on this forum friend.
i'm the FNG, its true that i have no idea what this board is about yet...

however, i do know a couple things about a couple things.

the grip safety is purely preference.. in my opinion, it's just an added complication/failure point and unnecessary in conjunction with a trigger safety. it should be one or the other, not both.

i'm surprised to hear you say better trigger- the XD fans i know will concede the XD trigger sucks, if nothing else. it's got one of the longest, weakest resets i've ever felt, on top of an already long pull. the glock pull is about half, and the reset is very short and sharp. i don't know how much experience you have, but these are pretty important and widely accepted as critical in a combat handgun.

the factory sights are unimpressive, but perfectly good day sights. i think most guys change out to warrens/trij front or both, but i've never bothered. thats what weaponlights are for. i cant for the life of me recall anything about the XD factory sights, so i cant comment.

as far as ergos... that's another totally preference issue. if you hold your thumbs back, you're not gonna like the glock grip. but if you use a positive two hand wrap, with your support palm against the support side grip, thumbs forward, you actually really cant get any better than the glock grip. i actually didn't shoot with thumbs forward before i made the switch from .45 1911s to 9mm glocks, but the glock grip forced me to- and i'll never go back. controllability doubled, for me.

the XD is great for guys used to a top-heavy weapon with a super high bore-axis.. but even being a former 1911 guy, i'm done with that. glock's bore-axis is, on the other hand, extremely low- and if you choke up your grip, you're so close to the slide you actually have to watch out for bite- leads to extremely controllable muzzle whip, especially in a 9mm. the XDs make up for the high bore-axis with extra weight, but i'd rather just have it be substantially less of an issue to begin with, in a lighter, smaller package.
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You don't want to get the Ruger Elsie Pea even in raspberry!

She would go the the range once and stick that little "hand cannon" in a drawer somewhere.

As much as I hate to say this, for shear shooting pleasure I have found a new favorite that I'm now carrying and the one that gets the most range time.

I almost forgot how much I like to shoot the Browning High Power in 9mm.





Or get her the Elsie Ahrrr.

Don't tell me that you're treating the love of my life like a common whore! You'd better be taking good care of that BHP.
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