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Old 10-17-2013, 01:13 AM   #21
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I can also ask, why .45? Nothing magical about any handgun round. Except for the fact that you live in NJ and my understanding is, that means you are limited to no hollow point ammo.
In my opinion, when you remove modern JHPs from the equation, caliber becomes a much bigger factor than it would be otherwise.

I would agree with you though that when you load up anything bigger than a .38 with JHPs there aren't any huge differences.
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She's shot the glock 17 previously without any major problems. However he felt the "girth" of the grip was too large for her to control the recoil comfortably.

But thank you for the heads up on the small details we may not have considered.
Consider a Springfield XD. It will have a slimmer grip than the respective Glock, because it houses a steel mag instead of thick polymer. Ergonomically very similar, it is a pragmatic Glock alternative for smaller hands. I was somewhat prejudiced initially against the "knockoff", but came to respect the XD tremendously once I got to know it.

There is also the new P227 out in .45. It holds 10 rounds. SIG says it has a slim grip, but I haven't tried.
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You may want to try the Ruger SR45, it's not truly hi-cap, 10+1, but my wife just got ahold of ours for the 1st time yesterday and can't wait to shoot it.

The true bonus here is, you can afford to buy your HD shotgun AND an SR45 for $900!

And although I only have 120 rounds thru mine, I really like the feel and reliability so far!
This....Go to your favorite gun shop and put an SR in her hand, you will have to pry it away from her... I have small hands, and it fits like a glove..and recoil/target retention is decent. My room mate has one that i just love..saving up for my own...
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The fact that NJ doesn't allow hollow points is a big reason we are looking for a .45 for HD.

Her a vortices tonight were the XD and Glock 21SF surprisingly. We are going to rent them at the range along with the SR45.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. We will hopefully finalize a purchase by Saturday (31 days in between firearm purchases in NJ).
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In my opinion, when you remove modern JHPs from the equation, caliber becomes a much bigger factor than it would be otherwise.

I would agree with you though that when you load up anything bigger than a .38 with JHPs there aren't any huge differences.
But they are still handguns that are not in a magnum class. The energy is not that great from a .45 or a .40, or 9mm. In FMJ the wound profiles are similar, penetration is similar. We are talking 9mm, 10mm, and 11.5 mm projectiles and the majority if the permanent wound channel. Not much more likelihood of hitting a vital organ or blood vessel from one end if the caliber scale to the other.

Pretty much I'm of a mind that all handguns suck, if given a choice to use a long gun. And most handguns are ballistically similar.

In this situation, if high capacity is desired. And controllability are important a 9mm may still be best if it improves hit potential and faster, more accurate follow up shots.


Curious if Federal Expanding Metal Jacket rounds are legal in NJ?
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I agree with you on handguns, I heard it said in training once that "the only purpose for a handgun is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place."

My go to home defense gun is a rifle with a rail mounted light and a red dot for low light shooting. If I have time that's the one I'm grabbing. But if I'm stuck with a handgun I want to throw the biggest rock I can handle. Which for me is the .45. I'll take that extra 2.5 mm

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Winchester USA 9MMVP 115gr fmj, 1,137fps- 22.1" penetration

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You (and your wife) have the hands in question, so you've really just got to get out there and see what feels right.

I have medium hands and really like my XDm45. Apart from carry, I would consider it my go-to defense pistol. Great gun. When I do defensive pistol shoots, this is what I typically use. And it's my nightstand gun. It's a 13+1 gun, also available in a compact version that can accept the full capacity mags. But feel out lots of guns...FNP, Ruger SR45, H&K, SW M&P, Glock, Sig P227, various 1911s, CZ 97...each angle and contour on the grip can make all the difference in the world depending on the length of each finger joint in one's hand. It's just that specific.

I believe all the guns mentioned above are quality firearms from reputable manufacturers. And while there are probably other viable options, I think those mentioned pretty well cover every base. The key is finding that pistol which possesses the attributes that best suit your needs.
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...CZ 97...each angle and contour on the grip can make all the difference in the world depending on the length of each finger joint in one's hand. It's just that specific.
I forgot that CZ had a .45acp like the CZ-75b! I would be sure to try one of those out; my CZ-75b is probably my most comfortable gripped pistol. If the 97 grip is anything like that of the 75b, you will find it very comfy.
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I was actually looking to try a CZ but none of the shops near me carry them. Someone had linked me damascusgunshop.com but, there's no way I can hold one to see how it feels.

The nearest place I found one locally over the phone was 1.5 hours away and they are back ordered for 5 months. 😣
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I was actually looking to try a CZ but none of the shops near me carry them. Someone had linked me damascusgunshop.com but, there's no way I can hold one to see how it feels.

The nearest place I found one locally over the phone was 1.5 hours away and they are back ordered for 5 months. ��
That is unfortunate. Check below to see if you missed any ranges or smaller ffl's. I picked up my CZ-75b in 9mm used for about $400 and have really enjoyed shooting it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/DealerNetwork.aspx

http://wheretoshoot.org/Find_Range/index.asp
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