DA/SA... What's not to love?
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Handguns > General Handgun Discussion > DA/SA... What's not to love?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-15-2010, 11:13 PM   #1
FAA licensed bugsmasher
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
ScottA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Davenport,IA
Posts: 6,990
Liked 2336 Times on 1258 Posts
Likes Given: 843

Default DA/SA... What's not to love?

Sometime in the last few weeks, I recall someone saying "I wouldn't carry a DA/SA for CCW". That got me scratching my head.

Other than the different trigger pull on the first shot, what's not to like about a DA/SA for personal protection and carry?

__________________

Scott

Quote:
If you're not representing Jesus in a way that makes people want to hang out with you, you're doing it wrong.
Quote:
Those who refuse to participate in politics shall be governed by their inferiors. -Plato
Join the NRA
ScottA is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 12-16-2010, 12:52 AM   #2
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Hawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Heidelberg,MS
Posts: 1,419
Liked 86 Times on 58 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default

That long creepy trigger on the first shot. 1911 Cocked and locked, only way to go.

__________________
Hawg is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 03:31 AM   #3
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 18,075
Liked 6013 Times on 3149 Posts
Likes Given: 431

Default

i dont have any issue flipping the safety off left handed with my 1911. lots of ambi safeties out there for 1911.

da triggers arent very good even in follow up shots. when you have fired a lot of da and sa you will see exactly why tons of folks prefer the 1911 over da and glocks.

__________________

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

JonM is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 03:38 AM   #4
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Cnynrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 213
Default

IMHO, there are pros and cons to all of the options (DA, DA/SA, SA only etc.).

The most important thing is whatever you choose you've got to practice, practice, practice until operating that weapon becomes second nature.

__________________
Dave

Lifetime Member, Second Amendment Foundation
Cnynrat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 07:43 AM   #5
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle,Washington
Posts: 142
Liked 9 Times on 7 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

A single action only 1911 in Condition One is not the ONLY way to go, but one of many ways to go.

Some people don't advocate it because of the extra step of undoing a safety first which is an extra step. Yes, it's an easy interim step under ideal conditions but one that could be problematic under stress.

Sorry, but I don't think the DA on many of the better guns like Sig Sauer, CZ, Beretta, are that bad at all. Not enough to throw out the baby with the bath water by not carrying a SA/DA in "condition 2" double action.

Cock and locked means potentially fumbling with an extra control (usually) with your thumb. Also, if it doesn't have a firing pin block then there's another potential problem.

Condition 2 means just pointing and pulling the trigger. Most modern guns have decockers to safely lower the hammer each and every time so that's not often an issue either.

Some pistols, like the HK's in V3, offer both a decocker and safety so you can decide what works best so it's not an issue.

It's all about options and what style suits you.

__________________

Last edited by misterballistic; 12-16-2010 at 07:49 AM.
misterballistic is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 04:05 PM   #6
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
General_lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lumpkin,Georgia
Posts: 1,268
Liked 17 Times on 9 Posts

Default

Personally I like the idea of DA/SA.
I have a CZ 70 that's DA/SA with safety and decocker, the trigger doesn't bother me at all.
I carry my 1911 most of the time, especially at work because I can open carry there.
I guess I like both trigger styles about equally.
really been thinking about getting either a Sig P226, or a CZ75 as soon as the money allows.

__________________
General_lee is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 10:27 PM   #7
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
orangello's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 19,155
Liked 5734 Times on 3360 Posts
Likes Given: 4877

Default

If i decide to carry, it will probably be an XD compact or one of those lil Kahr PM's; i want to KISS for me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by General_lee View Post
...been thinking about getting either a Sig P226, or a CZ75 as soon as the money allows.
I have seriously enjoyed the CZ75b i picked up used. The lack of a slide stop is a bit odd at first, but only when you are looking the pistol over, not when you are actually using it. Look around; i picked mine up for $400 with nothing worse than some very minor discoloration on part of the slide, which i probably will get coated anyway.
__________________

Dead Bears, the only good kind.

orangello is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 10:56 PM   #8
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 35
Default

My objection to DA/SA handguns is you have to learn 2 quite different trigger pulls. If you actually learn them, well then you may do well. The vast majority of people I've seen shooting DA/SA weapons will insert a magazine, rack the slide and commence shooting, i.e. never even try the DA feature. If someone does activate the safety and drop the hammer for the first shot, then they get one DA pull and the rest SA. What's wrong with that you ask? The first shot in a defensive situation is likely to be the most important...yet it is the one practiced by owners of DA/SA guns the least.

A consistent trigger pull, one that's the same for every shot, is the optimum. I won't get into an argument about the virtues of cocked & locked despite carrying that way for all but the first 9 months of my LEO career. I will point out that one of the reasons for the success of the Glock is, it has the same trigger pull for each shot. Not a particualrly clean or crisp trigger but the same each time, none-the-less.

Dave

__________________

RSVN Oct '69 - May '71
PSCD Ret.

Dave T is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2010, 10:56 PM   #9
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 18,075
Liked 6013 Times on 3149 Posts
Likes Given: 431

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cnynrat View Post
The most important thing is whatever you choose you've got to practice, practice, practice until operating that weapon becomes second nature.
i second this. i shoot my guns a lot. i dryfire a lot. i feel confident with my da autos and my sa. both styles are second nature to me. it takes a concious effort on my part not to swipe the safety off when i casually pick up my 1911's. swiping the safety is an automatic reflex to me. i often find myself having to re-engage the safety just picking one up off the nightstand.
__________________

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

JonM is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2010, 03:40 AM   #10
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Cnynrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 213
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave T View Post
My objection to DA/SA handguns is you have to learn 2 quite different trigger pulls. If you actually learn them, well then you may do well. The vast majority of people I've seen shooting DA/SA weapons will insert a magazine, rack the slide and commence shooting, i.e. never even try the DA feature. If someone does activate the safety and drop the hammer for the first shot, then they get one DA pull and the rest SA. What's wrong with that you ask? The first shot in a defensive situation is likely to be the most important...yet it is the one practiced by owners of DA/SA guns the least.
I agree you need to do some extra work to get the feel of the first DA pull down since at best you only get that first shot in each mag. One of my drills on most trips to the range with my Sig is to shoot a couple mags in DA only (i.e. drop the hammer between each shot).
__________________
Dave

Lifetime Member, Second Amendment Foundation
Cnynrat is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
love saviorslegacy The Club House 2 09-09-2010 12:45 AM
I LOVE it!!! CA357 Politics, Religion and Controversy 7 09-05-2010 06:03 PM
Why no love... mudslinger79 General Handgun Discussion 9 07-28-2010 01:11 AM
This has to be love. skullcrusher The Club House 40 07-11-2010 12:59 PM
love it here in AZ gnoll NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion 10 10-13-2008 10:52 PM