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Old 09-13-2010, 01:32 PM   #1
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I was surfing this morning and ran across an article about a gun Ed Brown designed for renowned Sheriff Jim Wilson. Of course it was a tuned 1911 but what really caught my eye were the sights he chose: a plain black rear notch and a white outlined tritium front. I've always preferred this setup myself, and on the "3 dot" guns I own - I "blank out" the rear dots with a Sharpie. Here's his quote to the author when asked why he chose this type of sighting system...

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I asked Sheriff Wilson about the sights he chose. "As I've said in print numerous times, three-dot sights are useless...maybe worse than useless. As a general rule, a fight, when it occurs, will be at close range and in dim light. Time is of the essence. You really don't have time to play with looking at little glowing dots and trying to line them up.

You'll be lucky to get one quick shot off. Your shooting stance, which you should have been practicing religiously, will get you pretty well on target even if you can't see the sights at all. And the single tritium dot in the front sight will help to true things up. There's only one glowing dot out there, so put it on the bad guy's chest...and do it quickly."
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Food for thought. Thanks.

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Eh.

Agree to disagree.

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Agree to disagree.JD
Indeed. In the dark, I want to be able to find the damn gun, in case I want to throw it at them, for distraction purposes!
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This seems to make a lot of sense.

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Just wondering (I may look into later).
When looking at front sight only in a darkened room, what angle can the firearm tip up before the sight disappear?
IMO, one should work with what is best for themselves. If you want one dot or three, or a "figure 8" configuration of two dots, if that works for you (and you are not just beginning to get into firearms (read "experienced"), then great.

Beginners, on clear days, would benefit from plain sights better on the range (to work on basics).

Again, this is IMO.

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I wonder if this test has ever been done.

Take someone who trains on an at least semi-regular basis. Blindfold them and have them draw their weapon and fire once, re holster and repeat 20 times at a man shaped target 5 yards away.

What kind of pattern would they be able to shoot? I'm guessing a high percentage in the black. Muscle memory will aim with reasonable accuracy. If what I have just guessed is true that would make me think that a single dot would be enough. If you can't hit the broad side of a barn with muscle memory then taking that extra second to aim better would probably be a good course of action.

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I know with a 1911 I point shoot very well. All my pin guns are setup with a white dot front and wide notch plain black rear. I lay the dot on the pin and muscle memory (and the natural point ability of the 1911) does the rest...

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I was surfing this morning and ran across an article about a gun Ed Brown designed for renowned Sheriff Jim Wilson. Of course it was a tuned 1911 but what really caught my eye were the sights he chose: a plain black rear notch and a white outlined tritium front. I've always preferred this setup myself, and on the "3 dot" guns I own - I "blank out" the rear dots with a Sharpie. Here's his quote to the author when asked why he chose this type of sighting system...

I completely understand the situation described, of course you can shoot about any small weapon without visually lining up the sights with the target, but when possible I'll go with the sights: You have to be physically able to bring your line of vision down and your weapon up to acquire your target, cases of people shooting at each other from less than 10 yards and completely failing are documented. Have you guys seen the video of two deputies and a bad guy at a traffic stop emptying their guns at each other without hits?



I'll try to use this ones on my 1911, I know if I start pulling the trigger without acquiring a target I'll be in disadvantage. Do things right, do things once.
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This is basically the same argument made for the XS Big Dot sight, which I have been more and more intrigued by lately.



I completely agree with the idea that with adequate training you should be able to bring the gun up with the sights pretty much aligned. That being true, I'm not sure what disadvantage the rear dots would cause, but to each their own.

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