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Old 12-26-2011, 03:03 PM   #21
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I think the best we can hope for with 95% of the liberal media is for them to ignore guns. I honestly can't remember a single positive comment by any of them. I wouldn't even consider FOX pro 2nd amendment. I hate to sound negative . People like us need to stick together. And I hope and pray that attitudes regarding the 2nd amendment and a persons god given right to defend themself and their family will swing in our favor,but decades of brainwashing our children and adults and their denial that they have been brainwashed or at least had their opinions heavily swayed by teachers,professors,media and politicians . Sorry to get somewhat off topic but compare the cartoons of the 50's and 60's with the politically correct unfunny and nausiating Sprout and PBS cartoons of today.(gotta catchem young). Back on topic apoligies for my rant . I didn't realize you needed a ccw to hold up a minimart lol
What the media is slowly beginning to realize is how badly

it's endangering it's own efforts to sell soap, dog food, and

hard-on pills to a large consumer block, pro-gunners.

The very same guy who's too stingy to spend 25$ and

carry his own water joining the NRA will readily piss away

300$ on VIAGRA. Now the media is in an era when they

know they have to beware of alienating a massive group

of product purchasers, and that is us...
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:19 PM   #22
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Very true, I did notice for a time when gun rights seemed to be a deciding factor in certain elections the gun hateing talk chilled out but now it seems as though its gaining momentum again. Every time someone uses a semi auto in a crime it becomes an automatic weapon w/a hi cap mag, if they use a shotgun its a sawed off shotgun, if they use a rifle its an assault rifle. And maybe sometimes these things are true , but most of the time Ill bet it hype.

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Very true, I did notice for a time when gun rights seemed to be a deciding factor in certain elections the gun hateing talk chilled out but now it seems as though its gaining momentum again. Every time someone uses a semi auto in a crime it becomes an automatic weapon w/a hi cap mag, if they use a shotgun its a sawed off shotgun, if they use a rifle its an assault rifle. And maybe sometimes these things are true , but most of the time Ill bet it hype.
of course it's hype! most of the media only tell the story with the facts that put the slant on the story in their favor or leave important facts out alltogether, which as far as i am concerned is the media lying to the public. use to be a time when the media was a regarded and respected proffession, but that is no longer the case as most are interested in making a story that captures everyones interest. use to be a time when they just reported the facts and let people dray their own conclusions about the story, but now they want to influence and sway your opinions as to what happened.

get charged with a horrific crime and go to trial for it, and you will be on the front page. let the truth come out and you are exonerated and had nothing whatsoever to do with it and the charges dismissed, you will be lucky if it's on the back page, if it's even mentioned that you were innocent. that's how the media works.

my definition of an assault weapon is any weapon used to to assault another person, be it a gun, a knife, a baseball bat or a rock used in the course of a crime. if you assault and kill some one with a weapon, dead is dead. if a person gets behind the wheel of a car drunk and plows into another car, killing the other driver or passengers, IMO, that car became an assault weapon. so do we outlaw and ban cars? no that would be stupid, cars don't kill, the drunk driver operated the car and killed someone. you would think, that people could determine that guns are not any different, that they can only do what someone operates them does with them.

the framers of the constitution when they wrote the 2nd admendment, only had single shot blackpowder rifles and muskets. do you think they ever envisioned, fully auto weapons with high capacity magazines? probably not. the 2nd admendment states we have the right to bear arms, with no exclusion that says only single shot blackpowder rifles!
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One thing you didn't mention was hate crimes. In an assault black,white,red or brown you probably don't think very highly of the person your fighting /defending yourself from. And if some things get said back and forth they're probably ment to offend. We need to do away with senseless laws so we can focus on the real issues. I mean sorry if I offended you while we were beating the snot out of each other.

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One thing you didn't mention was hate crimes. In an assault black,white,red or brown you probably don't think very highly of the person your fighting /defending yourself from. And if some things get said back and forth they're probably ment to offend. We need to do away with senseless laws so we can focus on the real issues. I mean sorry if I offended you while we were beating the snot out of each other.
hate crimes are a different type of crime altogether as they are based on prejudice against those that are different from them. be racial, sexual, gender or religious belief. still wrong and should carry it's own set of punishment. i may not agree with a person based on their veiwpoint or whatever, but they should be allowed to have their own rights protected and defended as long as they don't impede on someone elses rights. hate crimes are wrong any way someone would try and justify it, it's still just wrong. if a person attacks me, i see a threat, period. i will do whatever it takes to defend myself, and i am not concerned with the color of their skin.
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I'm not concered with skin color either. All I'm saying is because I'm a white , straight, christian,male there shouldn't be a seperate and worse punishment for me than anyone else. The simple degrees of battery,assault whatever should be imposed but unless I targeted someone based on they're differences the basic 1st,2nd degree whatever is what I should face. If I get into an altercation with a gay,black,muslim whatever and we exchanged words as well as blows he could call me white trailer trash as much as he wants (I lived in a trailer park part of my life) if I would offend him the same way and we and witnesses were questioned , Id be willing to bet I would be the one going to jail for a hate crime. Its all Bravo Sierra and a double standard bottom line. Its a shame I feel the need to say this but here goes I'm not a racist ,it seems like coutry boys like me can't have a discussion about this without saying that. I just believe that equality means just that no handout ,favors , or bennies based on skin color,religion whatever. And until that happens we're never gonna get past this crap and come together as Americans. Don't mean to get off track or yank anyones a$$hairs just taking advantage of the 1st amendment

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william i agree with you. but too many bring up the race card when there isn't a need to. as far as i'm concerned, when that is brought up, it's a crutch that too many lean on to try and equalize things. i am not blind and stupid as to live in my own little world and not realize that there are truly some crimes stemming from pure hatrid and i find that repulsive and idiotic. accept people for who they are, no matter their ethinic background and judge them by their actions and words.

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I used to work for a city PD in Michigan which had a higher crime rate. Once the "shall issue" law was passed, there were two crimes committed by CPL (concealed pistol license, CCW is the crime!). One was a male who ran into his ex on the street. A verbal argument began and an officer drove up. The ex wife was delighted to point out to the officer that her ex husband was carrying a gun. The officer asked him and he denied it. The officer did a pat down and found the gun. It was confiscated and a citation issued. He was legally carrying a pistol, he just needed to tell the officer as required by law and he would have been fine.
The second was another domestic dispute where the male half was a CPL holder. He was at his girlfriends apartment and had an argument with her. He was not armed but went outside to his vehicle and retrieved his pistol out of the trunk of his car while his girlfriend called 911. As the officers arrived on scene, the boyfriend fired a single shot into the building at random.
That was it for five years.

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I read the quote below in one of the gun mags years ago and it really stuck with me.

"Having a gun does not make you a COP anymore than having a fire extinguisher makes you a Fireman. Both are tools who's intended purpose is to allow you to deal with a life threatening situation UNTIL PROFESSIONAL HELP ARRIVES."

I encounter many fellow CCW permit holders at my gun club and I've yet to come across anyone currently holding a permit who does not share this view.

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I got off topic , and venting , man I've had liberalism and political correctness in all their forms up to my ears. I think someone who is assaulted because of who they are or what they believe is wrong. I'm just fed up with everyone tip toeing around subjects for fear that they may (God forbid) offend someone who when offended can cry racism. I can't imagine the crap leo's take in the name of political correctness. I'm no cop or fireman , but I would gladly lay my life down for my family. I meant no offense to anyone.

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