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griffin81 12-19-2011 06:03 PM

Ccw and crime
 
Knowing how our government is becoming anti gun. I'm wondering if any of you guys and gals have any knowledge of a CCW holder committing a crime with there daily carry weapon. With all these anti gun statistics I see people showing how guns should be outlawed. I have never seen a instance where the BG was a legal gun carrier. Just wanting to know if anyone has any knowledge of ccw permits being used by criminals. I have seen a lot of crimes stopped by ccw holders and you never see that in the news anymore. It just shows we as gun loving Americans are being pushed to the side by out own leaders. I would like to see some ads for people with there ccw permits and how it has saved there lives or saved others lives. Someone telling me I don't have the right to own and carry my firearm is like saying I don't have the right to live If some BG decides he wants to kill me for some stupid reason. Thoughts or a ccw positive add ideas please.

play the victim, be the victim

JonM 12-19-2011 06:08 PM

The only instances ive heard of are police officers doing it while off duty. The only murder committed with a registered full auto was a police officer that used his registered nfa firearm to commit a murder

TimKS 12-19-2011 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffin81 (Post 655548)
Knowing how our government is becoming anti gun. I'm wondering if any of you guys and gals have any knowledge of a CCW holder committing a crime with there daily carry weapon. With all these anti gun statistics I see people showing how guns should be outlawed. I have never seen a instance where the BG was a legal gun carrier. Just wanting to know if anyone has any knowledge of ccw permits being used by criminals. I have seen a lot of crimes stopped by ccw holders and you never see that in the news anymore. It just shows we as gun loving Americans are being pushed to the side by out own leaders. I would like to see some ads for people with there ccw permits and how it has saved there lives or saved others lives. Someone telling me I don't have the right to own and carry my firearm is like saying I don't have the right to live If some BG decides he wants to kill me for some stupid reason. Thoughts or a ccw positive add ideas please.

play the victim, be the victim

I have a CCW, but NEVER use my daily carry when I commit a crime......I always go to the gun safe and pick a safe queen....... :D

griffin81 12-19-2011 07:13 PM

Yeah safe queens need some attention too

play the victim, be the victim

danf_fl 12-19-2011 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffin81 (Post 655548)
Knowing how our government is becoming anti gun...... With all these anti gun statistics I see people showing how guns should be outlawed. .... Someone telling me I don't have the right to own and carry my firearm is like saying I don't have the right to live...

The current office holders with their ideas and demonstrated actions (think F&F), have gone past the "becoming anti gun".

But since they have been in office, there has been an increase in firearms sales! :)

Try to convince them that they work for us, and that we do not work for them. The voice that should be heard is the one of the people not the politicians.

Alpha1Victor 12-19-2011 08:55 PM

I have delt with a chl holder trying to have sex with a minor. Does that count. He did have his gun on his person.

therewolf 12-19-2011 08:58 PM

This is an outstanding statistical anomaly,

much like there's also literally no statistics for

married homeless people.

The numbers of crimes committed in this circumstance are

wholly non-existent.

You would think our legislators would want more

CCW permits issued, not less:confused:

AZL 12-19-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha1Victor (Post 655651)
I have delt with a chl holder trying to have sex with a minor. Does that count. He did have his gun on his person.

I have never dealt with a CCW holder where the gun was used IN THE CRIME, or was a factor in the crime committed.

One DUI...which was not a gun crime, it was a STUPID crime. To be fair...his pistol was LOCKED IN A CASE IN THE TRUNK. There were a couple of guys who got caught up in a prostitution sting who were carrying, but it was not a "mitigating factor" in the arrest, and were cited and released on the spot.

That one is really the only one that comes immediately to mind. But NEVER in my career did I ever have a CCW holder commit an armed robbery, burglary, home invasion, or crime of a violent nature...that I personally dealt with, and don't know first hand of any others.

I call the CCW the "Card Carrying Good Guy" card. Anytime I dealt with someone who held a permit...they seemed to be a whole lot more reasonable and had their collective **** together. Unfailingly they informed me of the presense of their defensive sidearm, and it's location (always appreciated), and 99% of the time (Idiots who were DUI NEVER got any breaks)...if it was a minor traffic beef, and their registration and insurance was in order...they got a verbal warning, and a "Have a nice night" from me. In other words...they passed the attitude test with flying colors.

So...I'd say, based upon MY experience...the guy with the permit is the "responsible law abiding good guy". Who is really going to invest the time, money, and effort into getting a permit if you're NOT a basically good sort?

Axxe55 12-19-2011 10:08 PM

the media and politicians would like to protray the CCW holders like the old west and we are looking for a showdown at the OK Corral! but stastics just don't support it and they know it. they will if any chance were to come up to try and use it to their full advantage. maybe they should focus on the criminals who carry concealed, and leave the law abiding citizen with the CCW alone, as he has gone through a background check, training and pays for a permit!

JonM 12-19-2011 10:16 PM

while im against the idea of "ccw permits" and training requirments, bearing arms shouldnt be permited nor should training be required for an inalienable right; those that DO go through the hoops to get a ccw and spend the money and time on the proccess arent doing it so they can commit violent gun crime.


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