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Old 01-22-2011, 11:06 PM   #1
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I may be missing something, but couldn't find a thread already on this ... please redirect me if I'm in the wrong place... but Im interested in the very unquestioning press accounts of the California school accidental discharge from a backpack... how many ways can a semi-automatic 9mm discharge unless it is cocked and the safety off? I suppose if dropped from a sufficient height, even if the hammer is not back (but the safety is off), conceivably it could be forced to travel back enough to spring back and fire a round already in the chamber...



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Old 01-22-2011, 11:13 PM   #2
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Considering that any modern handgun sold in CA must have passed the Dept of Justice drop test, the most likely answer is that the massive quantity of BS injected by the news media filled the backpack to overflowing, placing pressure on the trigger.



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most informative... thanks
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my guess it was a glock. they have no real safety. something in the goblin's backpack got in the trigger guard, drop, boom.

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If I recall correctly weren't there something like 3 people injured? I'm guessing a whole load of BS on the press reports for this one. Very unlikely the a pistol in a backpack went off and 3 people get shot. Last I heard they hadn't caught the person who had the gun the backpack either.

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my guess it was a glock. they have no real safety. something in the goblin's backpack got in the trigger guard, drop, boom.
Good point, but I think the Glock actually got up by itself, cocked itself and fired towards the nearest infant. They do that a lot, its true, I know a guy that knows a guy that saw it happen once to a police officer's brother's cousin's step sister's friend's roommate's mother...




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Considering that any modern handgun sold in CA must have passed the Dept of Justice drop test...
True, but that doesn't mean no one in CA has ever removed a safety device or owns an illegal CA weapon or even one in need of repair. The report I read said the gun discharged when the backpack was slammed on the students desk and there's no way of knowing what may have been inside the backpack. If the kid had the safety off or it was a model with no external safety it's conceivable, as JonM pointed out, something could have been inside the trigger guard.

The articles I've read didn't mention the make or model of the pistol.

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If I recall correctly weren't there something like 3 people injured? I'm guessing a whole load of BS on the press reports for this one. Very unlikely the a pistol in a backpack went off and 3 people get shot. Last I heard they hadn't caught the person who had the gun the backpack either.
Last thing I read it was just two children shot, a girl was in critical condition with a head wound and a boy shot in the shoulder was in serious condition. The police did escort the "gunman" from the school. These facts may have changed by now, but a web search for "CA school shooting January 18 2011" should find all kinds of articles, blogs and anti-gun morons voicing their biased, uneducated opinions on how more gun control could have blah, blah, blah, etc. etc.. I mean uneducated in regards to firearms, not general stupidity.

Of course if we assume the stories published by the media are BS there's not point in reading them. I doubt we'll ever know enough of the facts to make any real assessment on what happened.

I did read this in one of the articles:

"Gardena High hadn't been performing daily random searches of students with a metal detecting wand, in violation of district policy..."

If the above is true, I figure the school has deeper pockets than the "gunman" and/or his family so the focus of the lawsuits will probably be on the school.
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Could happen like this:

Gun inside backpack,
Backpack drops,
Gun fires first round,
Gun recoils inside backpack and bounces forward
Gets tangled with pen or such, fires again.

That is how it plays in my mind.

Almost the same way one can make a small carbine fire in automatic fire, with a stiff finger and a little pressure on the grip.

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I like the Evil Glock firing itself at nearest child theory. We all know it happens, we're just part of the Evil Handgun Conspiracy to cover it up. (Because your child is worth so much less than my Glock)

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I think the whole story has to be bogus. There are laws that prevent minors from carrying guns. There are laws to prevent guns in schools. Kalifornia has laws about handgun safeties. There are so many laws on the books to prevent this kind of thing. I just don't see how it could happen.



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