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Old 06-21-2013, 04:40 AM   #61
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I don't care what the numbers say. I still believe that big bullets are better than little bullets.
We can't be bothered with all them numbers and such.

Big bullets are better than little bullets when the weapon is mounted to something solid.

I guess if I was part of the T-800 series I'd carry a minigun with me.
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How many shots do I think I'll need, when/if the

times ever comes that it's critical? Either less, or more

than are in the mag. Such is life. Hopefully, it will be less...

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Quick poster about that...
My nightstand has a Colt AR-15 sitting on a plate carrier.
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I don't care what the numbers say. I still believe that big bullets are better than little bullets
Its not always about bigger is better. The 7.62 is more effective than 5.56 but it also has more recoil in bigger and heavier allowing less rounds to be carried. The 9mm is the best all round handgun ammo. You will also find that .45 is only really popular in America the rest of the world is happy with 9mm.
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Its not always about bigger is better. The 7.62 is more effective than 5.56 but it also has more recoil in bigger and heavier allowing less rounds to be carried. The 9mm is the best all round handgun ammo. You will also find that .45 is only really popular in America the rest of the world is happy with 9mm.
You're kidding, right? Better than .357 magnum? Wow.
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The 127 gr +p+ Winchester 9mm round does 1285 fps out of ALL my 9's, big and small. This IS 357 Magnum ballistics. We (the CSPD) went to this round many years ago and have VERY good results in numerous shootings. It just plane does not get any better than that in the handgun world.

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Good post, thanks for proving my point.
There is no realistic difference in those rounds when it comes to stopping the fight!
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The 127 gr +p+ Winchester 9mm round does 1285 fps out of ALL my 9's, big and small. This IS 357 Magnum ballistics. We (the CSPD) went to this round many years ago and have VERY good results in numerous shootings. It just plane does not get any better than that in the handgun world.
Your 9mm 127 gr at 1285 fps is equal to the Federal .357 magnum 158 grain. No comparison when you take projectile weight into consideration. Inertia is your friend.
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Your 9mm 127 gr at 1285 fps is equal to the Federal .357 magnum 158 grain. No comparison when you take projectile weight into consideration. Inertia is your friend.
The 158 gr in a 357 mag is a good hunting load but is NOT a good defense load!
I have witnessed numerous shootings with 158's and tested them and they do not cause the large wound cavity the 125 gr JHP do and they, 158 gr, WAY over penetrate. They are made for animals larger than a human.
The 125 gr JHP load in the 357 is the load all other handgun loads are compared to, and for good reason. This load has been involved in many shootings (I have witness several) and the velocities start a 1250 fps (2 1/2 inch bbl) and go up to 1500 fps (6 inch bbl). The most common being the 4 inch bbl at 1400 fps. What the shootings and testing shows is the 1250 fps threshold is all that is necessary to get the wounding to stop the fight quickly, the extra velocity is not necessary to achieve the desired effect. Thus my statement about the 1285 fps in the 9mm.
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