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Old 06-24-2013, 06:40 PM   #101
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I would say that its no better or worse than .40 or .45 none were designed for hunting. If someone wants to go hunting buy a rifle.
I disagree. If you want to kill animals, use a rifle. If you want to hunt, use a handgun or a bow. Because of the limited range of both you are forced to become a much better hunter.
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I disagree. If you want to kill animals, use a rifle. If you want to hunt, use a handgun or a bow. Because of the limited range of both you are forced to become a much better hunter.
I will have to disagree with you on using a handgun. Rifles are more accurate and powerful. Rifle cartridges offer a much better chance of a quick, humane kill. "If you want to kill animals, use a rifle. If you want to hunt, use a handgun or a bow"-what is that suppose to mean? A "hunter" tries to be as a humane as possible and actually cares about nature. A hunter is not out for the selfish reason of making it a challenge for himself. A hunter does not go out with whatever and starts killing this like COD. That type of person is called a "shooter" over here. I do not think a handgun and getting up close makes a better hunter. I can track all the same with a rifle.
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I disagree. If you want to kill animals, use a rifle. If you want to hunt, use a handgun or a bow. Because of the limited range of both you are forced to become a much better hunter.
I would put the welfare of the animal first. Each to their own I would not use a bow or handgun for hunting as I don't think either are accurate enough for most shooters to have the best possible chance of a clean kill, I don't have to worry about that as its illegal here to hunt with either.

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Although deer are comparatively large animals, the vital areas for clean kills are small. No one should consider stalking unless they can consistently shoot a group of three shots within a 10cm target at 100m.
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For Muntjac and Chinese Water deer only- a rifle with a minimum calibre of not less than .220 inches and muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds and a bullet weight of not less than 50 grains may be used.

For all deer of any species - a minimum calibre of .236 inches, a minimum bullet weight of 100 grains and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds is the legal requirement.
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:10 PM   #104
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I will have to disagree with you on using a handgun. Rifles are more accurate and powerful. Rifle cartridges offer a much better chance of a quick, humane kill. "If you want to kill animals, use a rifle. If you want to hunt, use a handgun or a bow"-what is that suppose to mean? A "hunter" tries to be as a humane as possible and actually cares about nature. A hunter is not out for the selfish reason of making it a challenge for himself. A hunter does not go out with whatever and starts killing this like COD. That type of person is called a "shooter" over here. I do not think a handgun and getting up close makes a better hunter. I can track all the same with a rifle.
Around here hunting with long guns consists of people either leaning against their trucks or sitting in a tree stand waiting until their dogs chase a game animal past them. This is not hunting. This is waiting and shooting. Hunting is seeking out the animal's habitat and using your woodland skills to get close enough to the animal to make sure you get a clean shot.

The type of weapon used does not alter the attitude of the hunter. He still wants a clean kill, he still hates to see a wounded animal get away, and he will always do everything he can to make sure an animal doesn't suffer. It makes no difference whether it's a handgun, long gun, bow, or black powder. A good hunter has these same attitudes no matter what weapon he chooses to use, and all of the above choices are legal in Florida.
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What if someone wants to go handgun hunting?
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I would put the welfare of the animal first. Each to their own I would not use a bow or handgun for hunting as I don't think either are accurate enough for most shooters to have the best possible chance of a clean kill, I don't have to worry about that as its illegal here to hunt with either.
It is illegal in Germany too. You can do a final shot with a handgun if needed, or if being attacked by an animal. Also, to protect the rifle from theft. Most hunters in Germany carry a sidearm. Not sure what the problem is for hunters making a supporting or sitting shot. This adds to the accuracy for a clean kill.
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What if someone wants to go handgun hunting?
If you are confident enough that you can shoot a handgun with the same accuracy as a rifle to give the best chance of a clean kill go for it. I know I wouldn't be accurate enough with a handgun to be confident of the best chance of a clean kill unless it was at a few yards. I can sometimes get 5 rds in a 6 in target at 25 meters but not consistently and its not living and not moving. There are some specialised hand guns with scopes and bench resting can be accurate but that doesn't mean the person shooting it will be. PS one thing that handguns can be acquired for in the UK even after the handgun ban is for humane despatch of wounded animals.

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Handgun hunting is a very viable and popular sport around here. It is specifically allowed during our general gun season.
Didn't that Keith guy develop the first "magnum" cartridges and loadings specifically for handgun hunting of larger game animals?
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If you are confident enough that you can shoot a handgun with the same accuracy as a rifle to give the best chance of a clean kill go for it. I know I wouldn't be accurate enough with a handgun to be confident of the best chance of a clean kill unless it was at a few yards. I can sometimes get 5 rds in a 6 in target at 25 meters but not consistently and its not living and not moving. There are some specialised hand guns with scopes and bench resting can be accurate.
That is correct. It is not the idea of an appropriate hunting handgun in the hands of a good hunter. It is the statement on rifles are for killing (duh!) and handguns are for hunting. The challenge of getting up close, like we are out in the woods playing assassins creed. I can do this with a longarm. I can track wounded animals at night, which I have had to do due to younger hunters. I can smell boar. I can tell which droppings are from which animal, and how long ago. I can track a deer not by the footprints, but the direction of the leaves. Etc.. These skills must be exhibited in the German hunting class. There is a saying, a German hunter can tell you everything about the animal he is tracking by the taste of its droppings.
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I would put the welfare of the animal first. Each to their own I would not use a bow or handgun for hunting as I don't think either are accurate enough for most shooters to have the best possible chance of a clean kill, I don't have to worry about that as its illegal here to hunt with either.
Hmmm , this conversation is just outta hand . Ever see how tight you can get a group with a compound bow @ 20 yards or even 50 yards ? 99% of the time I can put 3 arrows in a quarter sized group at 20 yards . It not how accurate the bow is or the handgun is , most will shoot will hole in hole at 20 yards if it was in a shooting jig . In humane kills come from rushing the shot , piss poor shot placement, bad judgement amongst a hand full of other things . I took a whitetail deer this year at 58 yards , most people would not shoot this far ever , and I would normally not either but conditions were perfect , no wind, open field and standing still . keep practicing partner you'll get there
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