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Old 11-17-2013, 03:05 AM   #41
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Yes the rules really worked. The Japanese used Bamboo bullets during WWII in Jungle warfare. These were very messy.
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Frangible ammo is relatively new and radically different from the expanding bullets banned by The Hague. As some of you may know, they are used primarily as training rounds in close quarters. They are often made non-toxic. (Before someone inhales to say Glaser, yes I know this niche product) Frangible ammo has no role in warfare. I am surprised to learn it's banned. I appreciate accurate info even more than accurate shooting.
here is a link to some of the Geneva Conferance Protocols that address the use of certain bullets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons
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The Dum Dum arsenal in India had loaded some rounds with the open end of the jacketed bullet facing forward. British soldiers noted that the wounds were much more severe than the standard way if loading a "full patch" bullet.

That was when dum dum rounds, soft points, and hollow points got their start. The Hague convention addressed these rounds as cruel or causing undo suffering.
Undue suffering? As opposed to spraying someone with napalm or white phosphorous?
I believe some of the reasoning was a wounded man requires more of the enemies resources than a dead one
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The Geneva Conference Protocols are a bunch of bull. It is war, anything goes.
The victors will always be the judges, the vanquished always the accused.
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And not all hollow tipped bullets are banned for warfare. The 77gr Sierra Match King bullets used in the Mk 262 ammo was determined to be ok, because its hollow point was not designed to increase expansion, but because it's hollow tip is a byproduct of the manufacturing process chosen to increase the accuracy of the projectile.
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It is war, anything goes.
The victors will always be the judges, the vanquished always the accused.
This is true. What idiot doesn't want an advantage in ANY conflict???
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And not all hollow tipped bullets are banned for warfare. The 77gr Sierra Match King bullets used in the Mk 262 ammo was determined to be ok, because its hollow point was not designed to increase expansion, but because it's hollow tip is a byproduct of the manufacturing process chosen to increase the accuracy of the projectile.
Also, ammo used on IRs doesn't have to follow the "rules". At least as civilians we don't have any convention to worry about except SHOT Show.
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Yes the rules really worked. The Japanese used Bamboo bullets during WWII in Jungle warfare. These were very messy.
And now they use Toyotas...
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Sharp pointy edges on a JHP? You mean like these...

I'm pretty sure these aren't all winchester.

The goal of a JHP is to create an expanded wound channel and increase the chances of slicing through a vein or an artery. Bullet manufacturers aren't concerned with making it easy for the doctors to remove their bullets. Nor should they be IMO.
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Can you pm me the links to those. I tried reading them but they did not open clearly. I'd just love to have that info
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DeltaF Can you pm me the links to those. I tried reading them but they did not open clearly. I'd just love to have that info
It's all on their official websites. Just click the law enforcement tab.
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