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Old 11-10-2013, 08:27 AM   #11
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One of my LE friends showed me some once. They weren't even his, he took em off a gangbanger. I can't see them being any better then any of the modern rounds. I like the Hornady's and the Federal Hydra Shoks, but I have been shooting a little of as many as I can get my hands on for the Great SD ammo test of 2013-14. Save a few bucks and buy up a few hundred rounds of Fiocchi 9MM 92Gr. MonoBlock or their 124Gr. JHP's. They do just as well if not better then the "Expensive" name brands.
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One of my LE friends showed me some once. They weren't even his, he took em off a gangbanger. I can't see them being any better then any of the modern rounds. I like the Hornady's and the Federal Hydra Shoks, but I have been shooting a little of as many as I can get my hands on for the Great SD ammo test of 2013-14. Save a few bucks and buy up a few hundred rounds of Fiocchi 9MM 92Gr. MonoBlock or their 124Gr. JHP's. They do just as well if not better then the "Expensive" name brands.
well when they expanded, they looked like a flower. those "petals" were very sharp. i have seen what they looked like when shot into a very thick phone book. they looked like they could lots of damage to muscle, tissue and internal organs with ease.
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well when they expanded, they looked like a flower. those "petals" were very sharp. i have seen what they looked like when shot into a very thick phone book. they looked like they could lots of damage to muscle, tissue and internal organs with ease.
I hear Winchester Ranger is the renamed Black Talon. Accurate?
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I'd give $.05/round and not a penny more. They were all hype. Talons have a high failure rate with jacket separation. Anyone stupid enough to buy into the hype is on par with Nancyninny Peolsi
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I'd give $.05/round and not a penny more. They were all hype. Talons have a high failure rate with jacket separation. Anyone stupid enough to buy into the hype is on par with Nancyninny Peolsi
Are you getting that mixed up with the 8 petal version that Win put out? I cant recall the letters of them, but I read that seperation is common in those. The black talon and the Ranger (t-series and bonded) are the original 6 petal. I havent seen or heard of the seperation problem with them.
All Ive shot is the 9mm black talon (147g) and various weights of the t-series, they all open up great in everything that ive shot with them, from blocks of ice to playdough with a pair of jeans in front of it. No seperations so far.
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Back view of 124g t-series 9mm on a dime after going thru a pair of jeans and into about 16" of playdough. Lost 3.5g of weight.

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I hear Winchester Ranger is the renamed Black Talon. Accurate?
Pretty much. Same reverse taper thickness of the jacket and pre-cuts. Still have the pointed, "talons" that cut tissue instead of just tearing it. Just no black coating. Probably reduces manufacturing cost anyway.

I've shot both the old BT rounds and the Rangers. Good feeding, good accuracy, good expansion in informal tests on wet phone books and even on a coyote.
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that is the one i heard took the place of the Black Talon IIRC, just minus the black coloring. but i have never shot the Rangers, so i can't comment for a fact they are the same type of bullets.
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I heard part of the problem was customers would go in and ask for the Winchester "Black Felon ammo"...Wonder if there was any truth to that?
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Color dont matter to me so Ill stick with the Rangers. A whole lot cheaper too.
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Black Talons are collectibles these days. If you want them for a cartridge collection, grab some. However, as SD ammo, they offer nothing you can't get elsewhere, for less money. My carry ammo is Ranger T.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
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