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Old 08-21-2013, 01:29 PM   #21
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This is not an accurate statement. "Some" situations...true. "Most" situations....false.
Wrong! I have personally witnessed five shootings where the 380 was the primary weapon used and all five did not penetrate deep enough to get to the vitals. So this 100% lack of penetration in my personal experience. I have investigated several others and about 75% of them lacked the penetration necessary to get to the vitals.
VERY FEW shooting situations in the real world involve a stationary target with full frontal presentation!!!
I used the word 'most' because ALL the data I have, actual shootings and testing, show that less than 50% show adequate penetration, especially when you use expanding bullets.
Don't take my word for it, do your own research.
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.380ACP Caliber: (9mm Short, 9x17mm, 9mm Kurz)
One Shot Stopping Success: 51-70% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Good
Recommended Cartridges:

Cor-Bon +P JHP 90 grains 70%
Federal "Hydra-Shok" JHP 90 grains 69%
Federal JHP 90 grains 69%
Winchester "Silvertip" JHP 85grains 61%
CCI JHP 88grains 58%
Remington JHP 88 grains 57%

The .380ACP, or "three eighty auto", represents a higher level of self protection insurance when compared to smaller calibers.

Penetration of the .380ACP ranges from 8 to 10 inches.

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I guess 51-70 percent statistically trumps "most."

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As a generality, it appears as though two distinct schools of thought exist: cartridge performance preference based on real world shooting data ("one shot stop" statistics) and cartridge performance preference based on bullet penetration data derived from shooting into ballistic gelatin, which has the characteristics of soft human tissue.

Law enforcement agencies periodically participate in workshops intended to evaluate performance of various calibers and brands of ammunition. Procedures follow the FBI Wound Ballistic Testing Protocol, a series of tests designed to evaluate bullet penetration, retained weight and expansion in settings that simulate real world conditions. Shooting events include bare ballistic gelatin, and gelatin protected by barriers such as heavy clothing, steel, wallboard, plywood and auto glass.

Much of the "penetration" information presented for various calibers in the following summaries is based on data derived from the foregoing sources. It is extremely generalized, however, because tests involve a considerable range of ammunition brands and types as well as handgun makes and models.

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Most 380 pistols function very reliably with round nose FMJ ammo. I see no need for hollow points with a round that has 2/3 the energy of a 22 wmr fired from a rifle. I just want a round that the pistol will eat and goes bang every time.

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I guess 51-70 percent statistically trumps "most."
Wrong again! We were talking about penetration to the vitals. The post which are refering to proved MY point. 8 to 10 inches is not adequate penetration by any standard for a self defense round. This is why the actual stop % are so low.
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.380ACP Caliber: (9mm Short, 9x17mm, 9mm Kurz)
One Shot Stopping Success: 51-70% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Good
Recommended Cartridges:

Cor-Bon +P JHP 90 grains 70%
Federal "Hydra-Shok" JHP 90 grains 69%
Federal JHP 90 grains 69%
Winchester "Silvertip" JHP 85grains 61%
CCI JHP 88grains 58%
Remington JHP 88 grains 57%

The .380ACP, or "three eighty auto", represents a higher level of self protection insurance when compared to smaller calibers.

Penetration of the .380ACP ranges from 8 to 10 inches.
Thank you for this. I am not sure where you got your data but it would appear to be about the same as mine. Not knowing how the researcher defined a 'one shot stop' it is hard to say just how accurate it is, but the shallow penetration numbers are about the same as the ones I have found.
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Thank you for this. I am not sure where you got your data but it would appear to be about the same as mine. Not knowing how the researcher defined a 'one shot stop' it is hard to say just how accurate it is, but the shallow penetration numbers are about the same as the ones I have found.
Those findings are from FBI test they maybe a little out dated but it is what I use . Cause most ammo has not really changed.
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