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Old 08-20-2013, 05:01 AM   #11
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+1 Robo! Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel hollow points. All my LEO buddies recommend this ammo for almost all concealed carry handguns. After the report about the Gold Dot exceeding all of the FBIs extensive tests, it made even more sense.

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Going to be testing them in both 9 & 45 for a future review article. I have 60 rds. of the 9 and i got 40 of the 45 for my Bud who's helping us with this...prob. tuen out to be a 4 hr. range trip...
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Going to be testing them in both 9 & 45 for a future review article. I have 60 rds. of the 9 and i got 40 of the 45 for my Bud who's helping us with this...prob. tuen out to be a 4 hr. range trip...
Sounds like fun to me!
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After the report about the Gold Dot exceeding all of the FBIs extensive tests, it made even more sense.
Have you got a link to this testing? While Gold Dots are outstanding performers in larger calibers, the only gel tests of the .380 Gold Dots I have seen show them to expand reliably but consistently fail to achieve minimum penetration depths of 12" specified by the FBI.
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The primary problem with this class of handgun is lack of adequate penetration on a human target. Light projectile weight plus low velocity equal an inability to penetrate to the vital organs in MOST SD situations.
If you have no other choice but to carry a 380 carry only the highest velocity FMJ rounds you can find.
Just common sense and reality.

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Have you got a link to this testing? While Gold Dots are outstanding performers in larger calibers, the only gel tests of the .380 Gold Dots I have seen show them to expand reliably but consistently fail to achieve minimum penetration depths of 12" specified by the FBI.
The .380 is going to have trouble expanding AND penetrating 12+". Just not enough mass. The Gold Dot has an excellent reputation for feeding like ball, expanding consistently (but not explosively), penetrating respectably, and maintaining 100% weight. You can get more penetration or more exxpansion, but it is unlikely you will get a better balance.

When we made the switch from Winchester Silvertips to Gold Dots we were (and continue to be) very satisfied. One of our guys had to put a 2000# bull. .45 ACP 230 gr GD fully penetrated the HUGE head, bored about 6" into the mud, expanded to about .70" and actually gained a couple of grains in weight (pieces of bone imbedded in the core). Performance has been nothing but outstanding in all calibers. I just wish Speer would make a run of 10mm Gold Dot 180 gr @1200-1300 fps. I would buy a couple of cases of it.
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I'd like to see the tables between the God Dot & their "lawman" series, just to see the difference...

Back in the day when I was "still in uniform" we did lots of testing on Melons, and dressed up "Dummies" with 5.56 rounds......

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I don't have a link the FBI report unfortunately, IIRC they didn't test .380, but the other rounds using the same technology thoroughly impressed me. Also, from what I remember I've only seen and used Lawman that was TMJ. I'm not aware of any Lawman SD rounds. I try and shoot Lawman 124 grain 9mm TMJ to practice with since I carry Gold Dot 124 grain +p in my G19.

I agree with Robo, they need to make 10mm, it might make me finally buy that G20. At least Speer is making Gold Dot rifle rounds now!

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The primary problem with this class of handgun is lack of adequate penetration on a human target. Light projectile weight plus low velocity equal an inability to penetrate to the vital organs in MOST SD situations.....
This is not an accurate statement. "Some" situations...true. "Most" situations....false.
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