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Old 07-30-2013, 02:34 AM   #21
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Select units of the Marine Corp is switching to colt 1911's
Many elite units us a 1911 like Mr. Browning designed for a very good reason. They know that if you shoot someone with a .45, they are shot good. Also, elite units actually train hard on marksmanship; if you do that you don't need 15 rounds to get the job done. Maybe there is a lesson there.
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IIRC, the military (army) had pistol trials last year. Beretta was awarded the new contract with the 92A1, for budget reasons I presume.

The M&P from Smith&Wesson was the overall winner, but apparently Beretta offered a killer deal.

If I can find the article I'll post a link.
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Here you go.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110828/NEWS/108280315/Pistols-shot-replacing-M9.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/09/17/u-s-army-awards-new-contract-for-beretta-m9/
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Everyone! Raise your hand if you're surprised!

Didn't think so...
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Everyone! Raise your hand if you're surprised!

Didn't think so...
Yea...I was really hoping they were gonna switch to the M&P.
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Select units of the Marine Corp is switching to colt 1911's
The one I carried in harms way was not this 'pretty' but I'll bet it did just as a good a job as this one and cost about 1/4 what this one will!!!
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More money wasted to fix a non existent problem!
There was no 'real' need to go from the 1911 to the M9 in the first place. It was all political. "use our rifle caliber and we will use your pistol caliber"!! Pure BS!!!
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The one I carried in harms way was not this 'pretty' but I'll bet it did just as a good a job as this one and cost about 1/4 what this one will!!!
These new Colt's are costing around 2,500-3,500 per unit. That includes the gun, a replacement gun (so basically, two guns), full repair kits for both, and specialized armorer training provided by Colt, because these do have some factory internal upgrades, among other little perks. Actually seems to me like a DAMN GOOD deal.

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More money wasted to fix a non existent problem!
There was no 'real' need to go from the 1911 to the M9 in the first place. It was all political. "use our rifle caliber and we will use your pistol caliber"!! Pure BS!!!
Many of the 1911 stock were being repair anymore, also the reason these select units are getting replacements. The Beretta was the cheaper option, and actually cost them money in the short term, as a requirement for the contract was that they had to build a manufacturing center here in the US. Of course, since then, they've made a ton more than they had to invest. Simple return on investment, a good business practice.

I still think they should have kept the 1911 too though. Or get Beretta to build a 1911... oooohhh...fapfapfapfap...
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I do not think we are going to see the Beretta go away anytime soon. That is about a year maybe two ago the military issued another large contract for so many thousand m9 pistols to be built over the next x amount of years. Military's take there sweet time changing side arms, because that is just what they are a side arm. Shoot look how long our main rifle has been in service! Yes the m-16 has seen many design changes and nomenclature changes but it is still the same basic weapon. I am in no way saying that they are not looking at new guns, but merely saying we will not see them issued to the standard G.I. anytime soon.

As others have pointed out the 1911 is still in use with many units, now that's a track record! I remember reading the Air Force and Army times when I was in and it seemed every 2 months they talked about new pistols or rifles. They reminded me of a popular science magazine, in the instance of showing off new things that we may not see for another 20 or 30 years if ever.
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There is a civilian M-9...I bought mine new with a couple of extra mags, pretty reasonable at the time $550. This was maybe 2 years ago I am thinking
The Beretta 92 has been around for a very long time. I had one years ago. If my failing memory serves I had it before it was adopted by the military and dubbed the M9.
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