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Old 01-06-2012, 06:03 PM   #11
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True, but if you put a .50 BMG to the grape, there's not going to be much to look at in X-rays.

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True, but if you put a .50 BMG to the grape, there's not going to be much to look at in X-rays.
Ha..yeah...it'd be one of those "well, there's your problem" moments...
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if you are threatened to the point of requiring lethal force you better be putting more than one round in your target.
Not necessarily. If your target is down after 1 round.
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Not necessarily. If your target is down after 1 round.
I prefer to triple-tap, which occurs well before they hit the ground.
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Not necessarily. If your target is down after 1 round.
Down does not mean out. Just because you see the guy fall doesn't mean the threat has been neutralized. If you wait to see, the first indication that he is still functional might be him pulling out a gun and putting a bullet in you. More than a few cops have been surprised by a suspect they thought was down.
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Please note: All coroner/medical examiner reports start with a dead body resting very quietly on the exam table. That is a misleading beginning from which to start.

Some twenty years ago, a Texas medical examiner named (Doctor) Vincent DiMayo went on record as saying "... a .32 to the heart will kill just as dead as a .44." What he said was correct, but very misleading.

In the infamous "Miami Shootout", one of the villains - Michael Lee Platt - was shot early in the fight by a 9x19 caliber round which killed him. The wound destroyed one lung and caused non-survivable damage to his internal workings. However, it didn't stop him at the moment. Platt went on to kill two of the FBI agents and wound several more.

So much for the 'dead is dead' theory of firearms effectiveness.

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You point out something that is often overlooked in the caliber wars. People often confuse killing power with stopping power. Not the same thing. Killing power means the ability to create a fatal wound. Whereas stopping power means the ability to immediately disable the target, taking them out of the fight and neutralizing the threat. But a gunshot wound can be fatal without immediately disabling the target. Especially if they are high on meth or PCP. The vast majority of people who die from gunshot wounds die from blood loss, but that can take from a number of minutes to hours, depending on the location of the hit. And during this time the person can remain quite dangerous. A 22 wound to the liver will almost certainly be fatal without immediate medical treatment. But it's not going to be a stopper. Disabling a target comes from the nervous system shock resulting from massive tissue and organ damage. The only sure way to achieve that is to put multiple shots into our target.

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I read this last night (after getting yelled at by my Battery Commander for wasting the paper I printed it on). I thought it was pretty good. The author says a bunch of times that he is not an expert these are just his observations. Very informative IMHO.

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Down does not mean out. Just because you see the guy fall doesn't mean the threat has been neutralized. If you wait to see, the first indication that he is still functional might be him pulling out a gun and putting a bullet in you. More than a few cops have been surprised by a suspect they thought was down.
That may be true. Then again, shooting someone while they are down
may get you a manslaughter/murder conviction. I based my comment
on personal experience. You read all manner of this double tap, triple
tap nonsense on the internet, mostly by people that have never shot
anything but paper. It pays to be cautious in more ways than one.
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I thought it was very interesting too, especially the thought that 9mm deflects off bone(aka ribcage) so you wonder the probability of hitting ribs and not hitting vital organs. I start to think if it's true that calibers starting with 4 will go through bone, maybe if they tested that along with ballistics gel and penetration tests, there might be some new statistics to add to the caliber debate. My mind races!

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