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Old 07-03-2014, 05:58 PM   #1
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with more stopping power. And apparently the FBI has now dropped the .40 Glock and gone back to the 9mm due to excessive frame wear. So, I guess the .40s get packed in grease and the 9s get cleaned off an reissued?

Heres the article:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/07/03/army-wants-harder-hitting-pistol/

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Old 07-03-2014, 06:14 PM   #2
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I never liked the M9 anyway

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I think the Army just wants to spend money.

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I am not sure who is writing these requriements and key performance parameters.

9mm is established as a good balance between pistol size and performance for military applications for generations.
Not sure what suddenly changed with human beings that we now "need" a bigger caliber.

But if they want to allow usto carry our personal .357 Magnum Revolvers on duty I am all for it

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The MHS would replace the Army's inventory of more than 200,000 outdated M9 pistols and several thousand M11 9mm pistols with one that has greater accuracy, lethality, reliability and durability,
Good luck with that. One, most handguns are more accurate than the shooter. Two the M9 is one of the most reliable handguns in service, Three the 9mm has being doing the job for over 100 years. They need to accept the limitations of handguns there is no magic handgun or bullet.
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Good luck with that. One, most handguns are more accurate than the shooter. Two the M9 is one of the most reliable handguns in service, Three the 9mm has being doing the job for over 100 years. They need to accept the limitations of handguns there is no magic handgun or bullet.
The M9 was issued in 1914???
When all you use are hardball you need a larger diameter bullet to make up for the lack of expansion. The military could have gone to a different pistol with more capacity and kept the 45acp. An XD45 holds 13+1 and the grip is not as fat as the Beretta. Lots of other brands out there. The 9mm would do the job just fine if they used expanding bullets. No matter what they do it is still a pistol and you need more than 1 shot to reliably take down someone that is trying to kill you.
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i usually don't agree with manta but in this case i think he meant the actual caliber not the platform

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Sounds to me like another boondoggle. More money. Shooting someone multiple times takes time. How about aiming and putting a hole in the T. Spend the cash on how to hit the target.
Recoil? My little wife can shoot a 1911. Not her favorite, but she can do it. You can hike miles with a pack. Even run uphill in full gear. But, too much recoil, come on. This is some desk jockey's idea to spend the tax dollar as inefficiently as possible.

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i usually don't agree with manta but in this case i think he meant the actual caliber not the platform
We can agree sometimes, and yes I did mean the calibre. And in the article there is an example of a guy taking 14 hits from a .45 using expanding ammo and he kept shooting back. If it had of being 9mm they would have being blaming the ammo.
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Funny thing is that the Army did pistol trials in 2012 and the M&P won. In the end Beretta offered the better deal, and the bean counters won. An M&P 40 or .45 would be a good step for the military.

To be honest, if all I was issued was ball ammo, I'd want a 10mm.


Hmmm...an M&P 10mm...if only.

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