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08-15-2010, 01:08 AM
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Armored Cavalry by Tom Clancy
I just finished a book written by Tom Clancy and there were no other co- Authors mentioned. He made a statement that I don`t agree with. He stated that a Beretta M9 with a standard NATO round had the same stopping power as the 45 ACP at close range. I don`t agree with this statement. Does anyone else have a opinion?
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08-15-2010, 02:35 AM
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Well, ON PAPER- they are similar. The 9mm NATO is basically a 124 gr +P cartridge, and the muzzle energy is about the same- around 350 ft lbs for 9mm NATO and a 230 gr FMJ .45 ACP.
However, if I was making the call, I would go with fat and slow. Once heard a gent say that a bigger hole lets air in, blood out. Considering that in military use they will all be FMJ, cannot but feel that the bigger bullet will mor efficently transfer energy.
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08-15-2010, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by patret
He made a statement that I don`t agree with. He stated that a Beretta M9 with a standard NATO round had the same stopping power as the 45 ACP at close range. I don`t agree with this statement. Does anyone else have a opinion?
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Define close range? 1-5 feet, good round placement, like the head, yes I concur.
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08-15-2010, 04:28 PM
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Mr. Clancy did not define close range. I would guess it would be combat range. Combat range would be about 25 yards.
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08-15-2010, 05:19 PM
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I guess Mr. Clancy is technically correct.
If a 9mm kills you or a .45 kills you, you wont be the one arguing about it...it'll be your buddies standing over you wondering how they are going to split up your gear.
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08-15-2010, 07:36 PM
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Not sure I'd worry about the gun savvy of a former insurance guy turned fiction writer. (smiley face goes here)
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08-15-2010, 08:29 PM
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Mr. Clancy did not define close range. I would guess it would be combat range. Combat range would be about 25 yards.
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That's 75 feet with a handgun. I'd say handgun combat range is 3-12 yards or so...
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08-17-2010, 05:48 PM
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All I know is if I have a choice between a 9mm and a .45 for defense, I'll choose the .45 every time. The .45 makes a bigger hole going in and is less apt to overpenetrate with all other things being equal. I'm a firm believer of more frontal area. That's not to say I want to get shot with a 9mm.
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08-18-2010, 04:38 PM
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So... Overall, did you like the Armored Cavalry book?
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08-19-2010, 01:54 AM
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I generally like Clancy, but in his non-fiction like Armored Cavalry (I have read a few others), he generalizes a lot.
He is writing about complex subjects for a non-technical audience, and he is only just so technical himself.... I wouldn't say he is necessarily wrong about a lot of things, but in subjects I am familiar with he tends to gloss over some of the finer points.
You can spend a lot of time talking about M9 vs. 1911 (check out any firearms board) and Clancy just isn't going to go that deep, he'll draw a general conclusion and move on.
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