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Old 01-03-2009, 06:48 PM   #21
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What's their reasoning for that? The only thing I can see, other than gun snobbery, is the fixed firing pin.
Let's see;
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and I think Gun Snobbery.

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and I think Gun Snobbery.

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I didn't realized that the firing pin was fixed until about a year ago. Because of that, I frequently cleared chambered rounds without reservation. It was never done gingerly either. I never had a round go off.
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I imagine they have also banned use of any of the "ring of fire" pistols also?

Since there is no real reports of the Hi-Points going bang when clearing due to the fixed firing pin, my concern is most likely nothing to worry about. Those pistols should go bang correctly when you need them to (i.e. not unintentionally).

If someone really wants to get a Hi-Point, I would advise them to also pay attention to the magazines. Alot of the mags seem to be really low quality and won't work correctly (the rounds will nose-dive too much in the front and cause jams).

Also pay attention because of this reason identified in these two videos:



Not meant to be a jab at Hi-Point. These guns will work for you and they are reliable enough for the price. I think defects like this do speak bad for the QC of the company, though.

I will maintain that you can do much better for the money.
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I imagine they have also banned use of any of the "ring of fire" pistols also?

Since there is no real reports of the Hi-Points going bang when clearing due to the fixed firing pin, my concern is most likely nothing to worry about. Those pistols should go bang correctly when you need them to (i.e. not unintentionally).

If someone really wants to get a Hi-Point, I would advise them to also pay attention to the magazines. Alot of the mags seem to be really low quality and won't work correctly (the rounds will nose-dive too much in the front and cause jams).

Also pay attention because of this reason identified in these two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5i_2zHqkBs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAbEeMK2HFA

Not meant to be a jab at Hi-Point. These guns will work for you and they are reliable enough for the price. I think defects like this do speak bad for the QC of the company, though.

I will maintain that you can do much better for the money.
The ol' tap on the helmet trick works to keep the rounds from doing the nose dive.

1st Youtube video: Box clearly states that it's .;40 S&W, but the narrator claims it to be a .45. If the box says .40 S&W and the magazine is for .40 S&W and you paid $100 for it, you might take the hint that it's .40 S&W and they put the wrong slide on it.

Second video: Same jackass, different problem. All High Point pistols have this "defect", as do many other brands of firearms. Hell even ARs do it. The gun has to be cocked to get the safety to go on. This is a defect in the user, not in the gun.
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That's true. After thinking about it, I do recall that the safety cannot go up on an uncocked Hi-Point. Although he did say it didn't work when the pistol was cocked also.

I do have to wonder how a .45 slide made it on a .40 pistol. That must be a first in the world of handguns.

The tap on the helmet trick did not work with that magazines. I had the same problem with some Hi-Point magazines and nothing I could do would fix the problem. I was going to return those magazines and get some other ones in return, but I ended up trading the pistols off instead. Just my experiences that's all.

Bottom line, the pistol started leaving a sour taste in my mouth. Other than the magazine issue, the gun worked fine on the range. I just realized that the style of pistol isn't for me.

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That's true. After thinking about it, I do recall that the safety cannot go up on an uncocked Hi-Point. Although he did say it didn't work when the pistol was cocked also.

I do have to wonder how a .45 slide made it on a .40 pistol. That must be a first in the world of handguns.

The tap on the helmet trick did not work with that magazines. I had the same problem with some Hi-Point magazines and nothing I could do would fix the problem. I was going to return those magazines and get some other ones in return, but I ended up trading the pistols off instead. Just my experiences that's all.

Bottom line, the pistol started leaving a sour taste in my mouth. Other than the magazine issue, the gun worked fine on the range. I just realized that the style of pistol isn't for me.
In the video though, you can clearly see that the trigger is in the fired position. The guy seems to be some gun snob that is either searching stores to find pistols that are less than perfect, or he's causing the problems himself, just to bad mouth the brand. The 9x19mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP slides, believe it or not, all interchange. Swapping them between pistols doesn't effect the function of the pistol in any way either. Likewise, the .380 and 9x19 share the same magazine.

They're by no means perfect, but you did a lot of work defending them yourself and the points that you've made still stand as truth.

They are cheaply made, but as such, the end user saves a good deal of money on a pistol that work very well for what one pays for it. They have a warranty that is usually only found on pistols who's price is 20 times what the High Points cost.
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I did defend them alot at one time. For the price they are not all bad. The warranty is great. The calibers offered are popular. The fact they are +P rated is nice. The pistol is heavy which will control recoil a little bit. The manual of arms is straightforward which is great for a beginner.

They do work as intended, but after doing some research, and learning a few things from other members on this forum, I now believe that a person can do better for around the same amount of money.

Like I said before, just another case of someone changing their opinions after a little research and comparision.

Bottom line:

Can a Hi-Point serve well as a defensive handgun? Yes, it absolutely can.

Can a person get a better quality handgun for around the same amount of money? Yes they can.

P.S. At one point in time I told myself that I would only buy USA made firearms. I realized that I would be missing out on alot of really nice firearms that way, so I did some research and decided to change my opinion on that. I'm glad I changed my mind, because if I didn't I wouldn't have my RIA 1911 or my FEG PA63.

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I did defend them alot at one time. For the price they are not all bad. The warranty is great. The calibers offered are popular. The fact they are +P rated is nice. The pistol is heavy which will control recoil a little bit. The manual of arms is straightforward which is great for a beginner.

They do work as intended, but after doing some research, and learning a few things from other members on this forum, I now believe that a person can do better for around the same amount of money.

Like I said before, just another case of someone changing their opinions after a little research and comparision.

Bottom line:

Can a Hi-Point serve well as a defensive handgun? Yes, it absolutely can.

Can a person get a better quality handgun for around the same amount of money? Yes they can.

P.S. At one point in time I told myself that I would only buy USA made firearms. I realized that I would be missing out on alot of really nice firearms that way, so I did some research and decided to change my opinion on that. I'm glad I changed my mind, because if I didn't I wouldn't have my RIA 1911 or my FEG PA63.
You're loving the hell out of the new 1911, aren't you? Do you have many rounds through it yet?
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NO I DON'T HAVE ANY ROUNDS THROUGH IT YET!!!!! ( Throws a pillow across the room and pouts )

Lately with the holiday, and in-laws, and bad weather, and everything else that's been keeping me busy, I haven't been able to get to the range yet.

I'm literally jumping at the bit to get to the range so I can shoot my 1911 and my PA63.

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