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I really like the M&P. The M&P shoots really well. I am not used to pistols that have a manual safety. I don't want to be fumbling with the safety in a high stress situation. I had no problem with the safety in matches but I am not sure I could disengage the safety with someone trying to bash my brains out.
M&P's don't always have a manual safety. You can choose if you want it or not.
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John... I am not a Glock fanboy myself but your statement seems flawed to me... first and foremost is that the G17 and G19 are designed with the same grip angle. The big difference between them would be the longer grip and slide on the G17 which, as I see it, provides more for your hand to hold on to and a longer sight plain for the open sights. Secondly, the grip of a Glock is steeper than nearly all of its competitors so if the natural pointing of the firearm is anything it should be high, not low. All I am saying is that I find your comment a bit questionable. That said, the Glock 19 is, in my opinion, less awkward looking and more high speed in appearance than its longer brother...

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Have you actually shot a G17 and a G19? The G17 has a huge hump on the back of the stock for lack of a better word that makes it difficult to point. While the G19 has the same hump but it is not as large or pronounced. The issue has nothing to do with the grip angle.

In the beginning of this video Hickok45 brings up his issues with the Glock. He carries a G19 and shoots a G19 in IDPA matches.

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M&P's don't always have a manual safety. You can choose if you want it or not.
I know you can order a M&P without the mag safety and mag disconnect. I didn't see a M&P without the striker block safety or the option to order an M&P without the striker block safety in the S&W catalog. If I had I would have bought the gun.

I have the Glock 19 now. My wife has an M&P that I can use anytime I want. To be honest, the G19 is growing on me. I have no regret in buying the G19, which is unusual for me. Usually after I buy a pistol I regret buying it until I get used to it. I have only run 250 rounds through the G19.
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I actually have had the opportunity to shoot the 17 and 19 quite extensively as my shooting buddies have a handful of Glocks. I also once got the shoot the G18 through the husband of a coworker. I also test drove the 22 and 23 thinking .40 was the way to go. Got a big rush running a magazine through a G20 once. I think the hump you speak of is present on both the 17 and the 19. The longer handle of the 17 places that hump much lower in the hand where the smallest part of your hand and shortest finger have to wrap around it where as that hump on the 19 is going to hit much closer to the widest part of your palm and is wrapped by your middle and ring fingers. The G20 was, to me, the least comfortable of them that I have had the chance to fire, though the G18 was a challenge to keep on my target when it got rolling.

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How is the trigger on your boss's M&P? That was on a short list when I toyed with the idea of buying my wife her own pistol.

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I know you can order a M&P without the mag safety and mag disconnect. I didn't see a M&P without the striker block safety or the option to order an M&P without the striker block safety in the S&W catalog. If I had I would have bought the gun.

I have the Glock 19 now. My wife has an M&P that I can use anytime I want. To be honest, the G19 is growing on me. I have no regret in buying the G19, which is unusual for me. Usually after I buy a pistol I regret buying it until I get used to it. I have only run 250 rounds through the G19.
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Although I love my m&p9, lately I'm really thinking about selling it for a ppq in 9mm. I like my ppq40 so much I want one in 9mm to match.


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I actually have had the opportunity to shoot the 17 and 19 quite extensively as my shooting buddies have a handful of Glocks. I also once got the shoot the G18 through the husband of a coworker. I also test drove the 22 and 23 thinking .40 was the way to go. Got a big rush running a magazine through a G20 once. I think the hump you speak of is present on both the 17 and the 19. The longer handle of the 17 places that hump much lower in the hand where the smallest part of your hand and shortest finger have to wrap around it where as that hump on the 19 is going to hit much closer to the widest part of your palm and is wrapped by your middle and ring fingers. The G20 was, to me, the least comfortable of them that I have had the chance to fire, though the G18 was a challenge to keep on my target when it got rolling.
The height of the G17 is 5.43". The height of the G19 is 5". The G17 is less than a 1/2" taller than a G19. Given there is less than a half inch difference in the height of the two guns how is your hand much lower on the G19?

Really, the technical data doesn't matter. The G19 fits my hand and that is all that matters.
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Ruger SR9 did this(Was going for a "Head Shot" to a Shoot n' C Target at 15 Yds.)imageuploadedbyfirearms-talk1396377240.045162.jpg

The clip was one of several holding the target in place on the stand, and was at the top-center where the Head of the target was..
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Dr football, I too have the SR9 and love it. Have you done anything to yours or are you still all factory?

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