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Old 01-27-2011, 02:34 PM   #21
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Explain to the nice policeman why you HAD to fire when the fella attacking you was 25-50 yards away. I'm sure the DA will also be really sympathetic...
And thats some jail time. 'nice' policeman indeed
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And thats some jail time. 'nice' policeman indeed
Not sure I understand your point. I was just amplifying Cane's point that 25-50 yards is not self-defense distance so it's moot what the ballistics are at that range...
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Not sure I understand your point. I was just amplifying Cane's point that 25-50 yards is not self-defense distance so it's moot what the ballistics are at that range...
Just an answer that mirrored my frame of mind, at the time. Im not questioning the actual legality of the action in a court of law. Every once in a while people find themselves in a crappy situation, by no fault of their own. If the situation dictates that you have to take a 35yd shot at an armed man whos threatening a loved one then thats what you have to do. Everyone knows that MOST defense situations happen close up, and completely by surprise. Im quite sure that this exact senario has happened to someone, somewhere once. You would have to instantly weigh the cost and hope you made the right decision.
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My personal choice is the 45ACP Speer Gold Dot, 200 Grain +P

I like the larger bullet, I think the .45 ACP is easier to shoot well compared to full magnum loads in .357, and you can get a high capacity pistol.

That said, the S&W TRR8 with eight rounds of .357 magnum sure looks cool.

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I see most everyone has been talking about the .357 mag, anyone want to give input on the .357 SIG? I personally have the Glock 33 which has a comparable capacity to many mentioned .45's here. It also has a much better ballistics record for a self defense scenario. I am just wondering (without the BD syndrome crap) what honest general thoughts are. I personally carry mine with MagSafe 64 gr. HP.
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Go with a 9mm. 18 rounds at the ready at a even more controllable rate. Means you can unload more rounds in a smaller grouping than a 45 or 357. Less time on target reaquisition. Any bullet at first fired will cause a deterrent or slowdown on target.
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It's the size of the hole and where you put it.
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If ballistics are your only concern the 357 mag wins hands down. The 357 mag was emasculated by S&W and SAAMI in the 1990's. I don't recall the exact date. The 357 was developed for police officers who needed to shoot through car doors and other obstacles and still hit the bad guys. The 1911 was in full swing by the time the 357 was developed, tested and put into LEO's hands. If the 45 acp met these officers needs they would have bought 1911's and the 357 mag would have joined the long list of great cartridges that never found a niche. Instead the 125 gr 357 mag high velocity round punched it's way through stuff that would stop the 45 acp cold and into our hands today.
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I think that the performance of both rounds in actual shootings is close enough to make ballistics a non issue.

Between the two, Personally, I prefer the 45 ACP for its softer recoil characteristics, cost, and wider variety of available platforms.

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Go with a 9mm. 18 rounds at the ready at a even more controllable rate. Means you can unload more rounds in a smaller grouping than a 45 or 357. Less time on target reaquisition. Any bullet at first fired will cause a deterrent or slowdown on target.
Personally in a self defense situation I like the idea of having a slightly larger area affected by shots. If you put all the rounds in the same hole I feel like internal trauma to the body will be less versus if you make several holes scattered throughout the upper torso. People bleed out faster from many holes than they do from just one small hole, as if you're shooting paper.
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